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RJT

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supercoolmancool said:
I think it is really going to depend heavily on the shuffle.
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Yup. If you can find a game with no strips and no more than 2 riffles in the shuffle, then you could probably manage this with a fair degree of accuracy and you'd only need one key card - no chance of a false key in a single deck game :cool:. You could also probably manage to track as many aces as you could get a look at each round, not that you'd get to play them all but you'd get to play a worthwhile amount.
The real work in this game is finding that type of shuffle with a dealer who is accurate with their riffles. They do exist, but they are hard to find. After that it's pretty much plain sailing!

RJT.
 
Sonny

Sonny

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As RJT mentioned, sequencing a SD game requires a very weak shuffle that you are unlikely to find in a casino (although DD games can be good for that). Cutting and steering strategies are often much more practical than sequencing for SD games.

-Sonny-
 
Automatic Monkey

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RJT said:
Yup. If you can find a game with no strips and no more than 2 riffles in the shuffle, then you could probably manage this with a fair degree of accuracy and you'd only need one key card - no chance of a false key in a single deck game :cool:. You could also probably manage to track as many aces as you could get a look at each round, not that you'd get to play them all but you'd get to play a worthwhile amount.
The real work in this game is finding that type of shuffle with a dealer who is accurate with their riffles. They do exist, but they are hard to find. After that it's pretty much plain sailing!

RJT.
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Actually, strips perturb the order a lot less than you would imagine. I'll take SD with strips over DD without.

Also, you have two paths you can go on- a dealer who is very accurate with grabs and riffles, and one who is very inaccurate!
 
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RJT

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Automatic Monkey said:
Actually, strips perturb the order a lot less than you would imagine.
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That depends where, when and how often they occur in the shuffle. If after 2 riffles - your ace and key already spread out by this point - the dealer starts a rigerous strip, you're pretty much out the game.

Automatic Monkey said:
Also, you have two paths you can go on- a dealer who is very accurate with grabs and riffles, and one who is very inaccurate!
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The grabs aren't so important for the single deck, but the dealer would have to be very inaccurate with the riffle to be worthwhile at the other end. Dropping whole clumps of cards, not just pairs. If this was the case you'd want to look at a sample of his riffle card placement frequencies and determine whether they were predictable enough. A very accurate dealer is going to involve less research to beat.

RJT.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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RJT said:
... A very accurate dealer is going to involve less research to beat.
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That's true, but a very inaccurate dealer is going to be less affected by the strips and cuts. Best to learn how to play both the accurate and the inaccurate ones.

Best of all is to find a dealer who is lazy and leaves out steps like riffles and strips. I've seen it quite a few times. Being those dealers are also likely to be inaccurate with their grabs and riffs, it's not as powerful to only be able to play dealers with perfect shuffles.
 
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avs21

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Where can I find a book or tool to help me learn Cutting, steering and sequencing strategies for SD and DD games?.Sorry if this was covered in an older thread.

Thank you
 
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