Video Blackjack = Rip Off

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alwayssplitaces

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I observed someone playing blackjack on a multi-game slot machine. Noticed they got dealt a blackjack and saw that they got paid even money. Then I noticed there was no option to double down or split. They had to hit a pair of aces. The rules said that the dealer hits soft 17, it's 8 decks and it's shuffled every hand. Quite possibly the worst blackjack game I ever saw, which shouldn't even be called blackjack. They were betting a quarter a hand.

I would estimate a 10% house edge. This is outright robbery. One could lose less per hour playing at a full $25 table than at this one armed bandit.
 
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bjcardcounter

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alwayssplitaces said:
I observed someone playing blackjack on a multi-game slot machine. Noticed they got dealt a blackjack and saw that they got paid even money. Then I noticed there was no option to double down or split. They had to hit a pair of aces. The rules said that the dealer hits soft 17, it's 8 decks and it's shuffled every hand. Quite possibly the worst blackjack game I ever saw, which shouldn't even be called blackjack. They were betting a quarter a hand.

I would estimate a 10% house edge. This is outright robbery. One could lose less per hour playing at a full $25 table than at this one armed bandit.
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Not only 10% house edge, add the cost advantage of not maintaining dealer, no shuffles, faster hands and what not. It is a rip -off. And do not tell me that you see ploppies sitting on these too all the time
 
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shadroch

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I've never seen a game offered with those options. Most allow splitting and some doubling. not all are shuffled after every hand either.
Some of these games are pretty decent, especially if you attack them with free play.
 
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tensplitter

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It was at Ballys AC at one of those multiple game VP machines. I know not all video blackjack machines are that bad. There are some which are S17 DOA DAS 6D at $5 which shuffle every hand.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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The casino's offering a game tht is a ripoff? and HET no less? wow! That just doesn't sound right to me. :laugh:
 
mwmb

mwmb

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that video blackjack sounds so so bad. I think slot machines have better odds then that . I found a video blackjack with 4 decks, 50% pen. 3:2, doa, s17, and some other things. min $1 max $150.
 
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alwayssplitaces

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mwmb said:
that video blackjack sounds so so bad. I think slot machines have better odds then that . I found a video blackjack with 4 decks, 50% pen. 3:2, doa, s17, and some other things. min $1 max $150.
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Wow, that's a nice beatable game even with only 50% pen. You can spread 1-150 and get no heat since it's a machine. I wish I found a machine like that since I would sit at it all day long.
 
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sevencard2003

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alwayssplitaces said:
Wow, that's a nice beatable game even with only 50% pen. You can spread 1-150 and get no heat since it's a machine. I wish I found a machine like that since I would sit at it all day long.
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where is this machine? although i doubt anything can be beat with 50% penetration. the ones in vegas with 66% penetration 6 decks i cant beat cause u cant tell when they shuffle
 
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GoldenGong

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sevencard2003 said:
where is this machine? although i doubt anything can be beat with 50% penetration. the ones in vegas with 66% penetration 6 decks i cant beat cause u cant tell when they shuffle
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The shuffle takes place when the dealer changes. They have machines in Ct. Not sure where they are in Vegas!!
 
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sevencard2003

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no some long established members of this forum said over a year ago thats NOT when it shuff;es, and that its impossible to tell
 
mwmb

mwmb

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sevencard2003 said:
where is this machine? although i doubt anything can be beat with 50% penetration. the ones in vegas with 66% penetration 6 decks i cant beat cause u cant tell when they shuffle
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I live in Australia, they are pretty common. I hardly play them with a big enough BR.

50% pen is crap but i have worked out how to make it reshuffle when i want it to. IF there is no money in the terminals it reshuffles. It only takes notes. So some nights when i got nothing better to do i will have 5 or 6 five dollar notes when the count is negative i will collect and it reshuffles, So in theory you never have to play a hand with a negative count.

Tonight the TC got to 5, i was freaking out...

Lots of fun if you want to win enough money for a few drinks
 
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Machinist

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mwmb said:
I live in Australia, they are pretty common. I hardly play them with a big enough BR.

50% pen is crap but i have worked out how to make it reshuffle when i want it to. IF there is no money in the terminals it reshuffles. It only takes notes. So some nights when i got nothing better to do i will have 5 or 6 five dollar notes when the count is negative i will collect and it reshuffles, So in theory you never have to play a hand with a negative count.

Tonight the TC got to 5, i was freaking out...

Lots of fun if you want to win enough money for a few drinks
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Now how exactly have you proven this theory? Enquiring minds would like to know..

Machinist
 
tezzadiver

tezzadiver

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mwmb said:
I live in Australia, they are pretty common. I hardly play them with a big enough BR.

50% pen is crap but i have worked out how to make it reshuffle when i want it to. IF there is no money in the terminals it reshuffles. It only takes notes. So some nights when i got nothing better to do i will have 5 or 6 five dollar notes when the count is negative i will collect and it reshuffles, So in theory you never have to play a hand with a negative count.

Tonight the TC got to 5, i was freaking out...

Lots of fun if you want to win enough money for a few drinks
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Yes please elaborate..
 
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sagefr0g

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GoldenGong said:
The shuffle takes place when the dealer changes. They have machines in Ct. Not sure where they are in Vegas!!
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erhh, are sure about that? how do you know it shuffles when the dealers change? is it stated in the machine rules or something?
 
mwmb

mwmb

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Machinist said:
Now how exactly have you proven this theory? Enquiring minds would like to know..

Machinist
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Well all i meant was that when the count gets -2 i will pull my money out, collecting it as a money ticket, then i place another note in the terminal. If i am the only one playing the mechean then it will cancel the current shoe and generate a new one.

If you took that to the extreme and when ever the RC reached -1 after a hand you could cancel the shoe and it would generate a new one.
 
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Machinist

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Mwmb.....your missing the question begging to be answered....How do you know the machine reshuffles when you do the cashout thingy:)..... How do you know it reshuffles....do bells go off? Does the digital lady on the screen wink at ya......or what??
What has lead you to this conclusion?

Machinist
 
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Elhombre

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Imho the machines are cheating

Machinist said:
Mwmb.....your missing the question begging to be answered....How do you know the machine reshuffles when you do the cashout thingy:)..... How do you know it reshuffles....do bells go off? Does the digital lady on the screen wink at ya......or what??
What has lead you to this conclusion?

Machinist
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I talk about the shufflemaster machine at my home casino,
the rules and the silicon titted ladies look nice, but for
my statistics theese bastards pay out only 70-80 percent out of
what You bet.
make longtime stats with min. bets.
I will never play there again. Before cut off my fingers.

E.H.
 
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