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shadroch

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It seems that the best way to make money playing blackjack is to get backroomed and then win a serious settlement.
Anyone hear of anyone setting out to do this?
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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back roomed

I don't know if that would be a good thing where I play since they are on resevations. I don't know how to make pottery or jewelery or even hook rugs so I wouldn't risk it. If a person pulls a stunt like that I would bring my lawyer on the trip just to save time on filing the lawsuit. :laugh: blackchipjim
 
moo321

moo321

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shadroch said:
It seems that the best way to make money playing blackjack is to get backroomed and then win a serious settlement.
Anyone hear of anyone setting out to do this?
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No, but this could be a good idea. Make fun of the security staff at a casino when they try to back you off. Say something like "oh look, it's the idiots that couldn't cut it at the police academy!". Just one punch might get you $30k.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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moo321 said:
No, but this could be a good idea. Make fun of the security staff at a casino when they try to back you off. Say something like "oh look, it's the idiots that couldn't cut it at the police academy!". Just one punch might get you $30k.
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Yes there are a few ways to encourage a security guard to tort you. One I discussed on another site is to lean back slightly and hawk up, as if you were going to expectorate in his face. Of course you don't let anything come out, but just the implication is enough to send some guys into a rage.

Use racial and ethnic terminology. Only show deference to the Caucasian security guards.

The simplest is to just run if they approach you. Many of them will instinctively pursue you and tackle you. This will create an impressive spill and pileup on the floor, which of course will result in you being carried out by EMT's.

Do not drink any alcohol at all on a night you're going to do this.
 
moo321

moo321

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Automatic Monkey said:
Yes there are a few ways to encourage a security guard to tort you. One I discussed on another site is to lean back slightly and hawk up, as if you were going to expectorate in his face. Of course you don't let anything come out, but just the implication is enough to send some guys into a rage.

Use racial and ethnic terminology. Only show deference to the Caucasian security guards.

The simplest is to just run if they approach you. Many of them will instinctively pursue you and tackle you. This will create an impressive spill and pileup on the floor, which of course will result in you being carried out by EMT's.

Do not drink any alcohol at all on a night you're going to do this.
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Haha, the ethnic slurs is a really good idea. I mean, not ethically, but from the perspective of getting someone to punch you in the face...
 
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21forme

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Personally, I try to avoid bodily harm. If you guys are that hard up, sign up for some medical experiments.
 
moo321

moo321

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21forme said:
Personally, I try to avoid bodily harm. If you guys are that hard up, sign up for some medical experiments.
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Actually, medical experiments offer really good pay. I know a guy that is a professional guinea pig. Gets free meals and stuff, too.

The point is to avoid bodily harm, but make it look like you were harmed.
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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moo321 said:
The point is to avoid bodily harm, but make it look like you were harmed.
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So, fraud your way into a lawsuit? Isn't that like a double-negative?!? :p

good luck
 
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shadroch

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Having been on both ends of some severe beatdowns,I can honestly say there are a lot worse ways to get rich.
 
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Chapel

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Stepping out in front of cars owned by the casino managers in the casino parking lot might make a better bet. :laugh:
 
moo321

moo321

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ChefJJ said:
So, fraud your way into a lawsuit? Isn't that like a double-negative?!? :p

good luck
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It's not fraud, it's hustling. Causing someone to throw a punch on camera, which you mostly block because you're waiting for it, is worth some good money with an out of court settlement.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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moo321 said:
It's not fraud, it's hustling. Causing someone to throw a punch on camera, which you mostly block because you're waiting for it, is worth some good money with an out of court settlement.
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I'm not sure. It would cause someone to lose his job and I don't think I would be willing to do that to someone for money. Maybe I could rationalize it such that if he is the type to assault people to begin with, he needs a different job.

If you get caught in any kind of deception, you're going to get criminal charges. Unlikely that will ever happen, but it would make it not worth it if it did.

Here's one for you: make an anonymous call from a pay phone that you know a guy is coming to their casino today with a computer in his shoes. Give his name, his description, and some bogus reason why he pissed you off and you want to rat on him (stole your drugs, etc.) Of course, this guy is you! Wear thick shoes and tap your feet a lot, looking around nervously. Run when you see them and let them tackle you. They will be so sure they have a felony conviction ready for you, and they will be so screwed when they find nothing in your shoes. :laugh:
 
moo321

moo321

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Automatic Monkey said:
I'm not sure. It would cause someone to lose his job and I don't think I would be willing to do that to someone for money. Maybe I could rationalize it such that if he is the type to assault people to begin with, he needs a different job.

If you get caught in any kind of deception, you're going to get criminal charges. Unlikely that will ever happen, but it would make it not worth it if it did.

Here's one for you: make an anonymous call from a pay phone that you know a guy is coming to their casino today with a computer in his shoes. Give his name, his description, and some bogus reason why he pissed you off and you want to rat on him (stole your drugs, etc.) Of course, this guy is you! Wear thick shoes and tap your feet a lot, looking around nervously. Run when you see them and let them tackle you. They will be so sure they have a felony conviction ready for you, and they will be so screwed when they find nothing in your shoes. :laugh:
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Heh. As long as they couldn't trace the call...
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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Be smart

I would have a friend make that call since the line may be recorded that you are calling to. Recorded voices can be tested for pattern similiarities which may be used in a court of law. The basic act of being backroomed for no good reason and the entailing actions are not something I would advocate. blackchipjim
 
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shadroch

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moo321 said:
It's not fraud, it's hustling. Causing someone to throw a punch on camera, which you mostly block because you're waiting for it, is worth some good money with an out of court settlement.
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I doubt you'd get much of a settlement if you can't show an injury.I think you need to be both illegally detained and show an injury to get much out of a casino_Obviously,I have no personal experiance with casinos,but I doubt its much different from the numerous suits brought against my clubs.The vast majority of which went nowhere.Most insurance companies seem to be willing to drag it out rather than offer quick settlements. In NY anyways.
 
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Kasi

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Automatic Monkey said:
Run when you see them and let them tackle you. They will be so sure they have a felony conviction ready for you, and they will be so screwed when they find nothing in your shoes. :laugh:
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What powers do these security personnel have anyway? If they just say Stop and you don't aren't you maybe resisting something? Especially if they have reasonable cause? I thought maybe they had almost the power of the police. But without a gun.

I don't know - didn't seem to work too well for that guy in LA that the police got caught on tape apparently beating the crap out of him for no good reason.
 
moo321

moo321

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Kasi said:
What powers do these security personnel have anyway? If they just say Stop and you don't aren't you maybe resisting something? Especially if they have reasonable cause? I thought maybe they had almost the power of the police. But without a gun.

I don't know - didn't seem to work too well for that guy in LA that the police got caught on tape apparently beating the crap out of him for no good reason.
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They do have some power to detain, but not the same powers police do, i.e. if they say stop, and you don't, it isn't a crime.
 
Sonny

Sonny

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moo321 said:
They do have some power to detain, but not the same powers police do, i.e. if they say stop, and you don't, it isn't a crime.
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Exactly. A security guard does not have any more power than a regular person. They can only detain you if they witnessed you committing a crime or have a report from someone who was a witness. They can also perform a “citizen’s arrest” if they want to detain you. That’s about as far as it goes. They often think that they can detain you if the management (or a representative of the management) tells them to, but that’s not usually the case. Although I always try to be respectful of them, they really are no different than a regular person…that is, a regular person who’s carrying several weapons and doesn’t like you.

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Brock Windsor

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If you are suspected of cheating at play, I think that would constitute a crime and they could detain you....of course the lawyer for the casino would have to prove they had very probable grounds for suspecting you of cheating.
 
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