Analysis of Lucky Ladies

zengrifter · Feb 18, 2006

Analysis of Lucky Ladies side bet for card-counting. I won an extra $15,000+ last year with this side-bet. zg

http://web.archive.org/web/20030407221336/cardcounter.com/Lucky_Ladies.htm

Matt · Mar 31, 2006

So using the Hi-Lo you bet the LL at TC >= 7

zengrifter · Mar 31, 2006

Yes. And based on the high advantage don't be afraid to through out more than $5. I've hit the QQh with $25 multiple times. zg

Matt · Mar 31, 2006

Thanks, have you ever hit QQh w/ BJ?

Mikeaber · Mar 31, 2006

zengrifter said:
Yes. And based on the high advantage don't be afraid to through out more than $5. I've hit the QQh with $25 multiple times. zg

Have you tried that "Dealer 20" "Player 20" that they have on some of the tables at Plaza? The payout can be quite large on a matched pair (spotted 10's I think are excluded on the huge payouts). The minimum is $1 on either or both spots.

It would be a reckless bet without a high count, but would seem to be worthy as an "insurance" bet even at the 4:1 minimum for any 2-card twenty.

zengrifter · Apr 1, 2006

Mikeaber said:
Have you tried that "Dealer 20" "Player 20" that they have on some of the tables at Plaza? The payout can be quite large on a matched pair (spotted 10's I think are excluded on the huge payouts). The minimum is $1 on either or both spots.

It would be a reckless bet without a high count, but would seem to be worthy as an "insurance" bet even at the 4:1 minimum for any 2-card twenty.

Its called Royal20s and its even better than LLadies - any 20 pays 5:1. Unfortuneately, myself and several others have burned that bet out and Plaza was the last remaining spot offering it.

One night at Plaza I had a high-plus and spread to two hands - 3 R20 bets @25 each (including one on dealer - 1st hand JJc (25:1), 2nd hand A9h (10:1), dealer hand KKd (25:1)! The previously friendly pit manager grabbed for the phone with a bewildered look, I smiled and told him when he hung up, "See even a blind squirrel finds an occaisional acorn! zg

Mikeaber · Apr 1, 2006

I've played the R20 (as you clarified) to advantage myself though never to the windfall you managed to hit it! I have seen it in other casinos with one minor little change....you only had a side bet on the players hand. They removed the dealer bet from the options.

zengrifter · Apr 1, 2006

Mikeaber said:
I've played the R20 (as you clarified) to advantage myself though never to the windfall you managed to hit it! I have seen it in other casinos with one minor little change....you only had a side bet on the players hand. They removed the dealer bet from the options.

If you didn't know the +count strike point you were NOT playing it to advantage. The other version is LLadies. zg

Sonny · Apr 4, 2006

Mikeaber said:
Have you tried that "Dealer 20" "Player 20" that they have on some of the tables at Plaza?

That is a FANTASTIC bet! I created a special counting system for that bet last year. The bet is so profitable that I trained a partner and brought them up to Vegas just to play it. We had a great weekend's worth of play but eventually started getting too much heat. We've been carefully milking it since then.

I was hoping to get some table time with the Grifter since he introduced me to the bet, but he had already been barred by that point. Luckily we were able to catch up later.

-Sonny-

Mikeaber · Apr 4, 2006

I'll be out there again in May and most likely will make it to Plaza.

zengrifter · Apr 5, 2006

Sonny said:
That is a FANTASTIC bet! I created a special counting system for that bet last year. The bet is so profitable that I trained a partner and brought them up to Vegas just to play it. We had a great weekend's worth of play but eventually started getting too much heat. We've been carefully milking it since then.

I was hoping to get some table time with the Grifter since he introduced me to the bet, but he had already been barred by that point. Luckily we were able to catch up later.

-Sonny-

I watched Sonny and his partner from a distance as they played the bet for the first time - they looked sooo innocent - seemed like every other time that they made the side bet they would win and yell, "Yeah, suited!" (10:1). zg

jetace · Apr 13, 2006

zg- have you seen a sim. using a level 2 counting system for LL?
Atlantis in Reno has a 2deck I'd like to try zen or HO2 on.
Ever tried it?

By the way, I read the entire interview. I love reading fascinating stories like that. You've really experienced a lot!

How long ago did you give the interview?

zengrifter · Apr 14, 2006

jetace said:
zg- have you seen a sim. using a level 2 counting system for LL?
Atlantis in Reno has a 2deck I'd like to try zen or HO2 on.
Ever tried it?

By the way, I read the entire interview. I love reading fascinating stories like that. You've really experienced a lot!

How long ago did you give the interview?

I have the LL sim for ZEN, give me your email address. The interview took place during my FPC incarceration 2'03 to 4'04. zg

zengrifter · Apr 14, 2006

Lucky Ladies Report ZEN

Here it is, SIM by Professor Jacobson UCSB. zg

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Lucky Ladies Report ZEN
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Number of decks: 2
number of hands: 100000000
Penetration: 72 cards.
Payoff schedule:
Any 20: 4-to-1
Suited 20: 10-to-1
Matched 20: 25-to-1
QH pair: 200-to-1
QH pair + BJ: 1000-to-1
Count system:
A: -1
2: 1
3: 1
4: 2
5: 2
6: 2
7: 1
8: 0
9: 0
T: -2
QofH: -2

Lucky Lady earnings per 100 rounds (per hour): $17.6702
Wager is made 6.48534 times per 100 rounds (per hour)
Earnings per Lucky Lady $25 bet actually placed: $2.72463.
Key True count (make bet at this count or higher): 10

TC %EV FREQ
<=0 -33.68 60280508
1 -22.28 7150325
2 -20.12 6065264
3 -17.71 4382426
4 -15.6 4258219
5 -13.35 2941507
6 -11.29 3040900
7 -8.56 1603349
8 -6.98 2261436
9 -3.28 1530661

10 0.19 1155586
11 0.96 945176
12 2.96 797139
13 5.99 887449
14 10.61 517158
15 11.84 398814
16 15.8 483006
17 17.11 272720
18 20.06 136340
19 21.81 285145
20 27.96 132369

jetace · Apr 14, 2006

Wow! It looks like EV's are better just using Hi-Lo.
Very interesting.

Which method have you used/prefer?

zengrifter · Apr 14, 2006

Not better, the same. (Level-2 count) zg

SystemsTrader · Jul 30, 2006

LL for 8 decks

zengrifter said:
Analysis of Lucky Ladies side bet for card-counting. I won an extra $15,000+ last year with this side-bet. zg

http://web.archive.org/web/20030407221336/cardcounter.com/Lucky_Ladies.htm

Lucky ladies is now at some of my local casinos but they only have it for 8 decks. At the above site the sim was done for KO 6 decks and you would play LL at a count of +10. Have any sims been done for 8 decks or is there a way to convert the RC from 6 to 8 decks? Any help here would be appreciated. Thanks!

Eliot Jacobson · Jul 30, 2006

A better system for LL

I suggest using this counting system for FPLL on Double Deck --

A-9 = +1
T-K = -2
First Q of H = -10
Second Q of H = -2

Make the wager with a TC of 11 or higher.

Cheers!

zengrifter · Jul 31, 2006

Eliot Jacobson said:
I suggest using this counting system for FPLL on Double Deck --

A-9 = +1
T-K = -2
First Q of H = -10
Second Q of H = -2

Make the wager with a TC of 11 or higher.

Cheers!

Since its an ub'd count, can you bet LLs in RC mode? Will the RC#s hold up for 6-8D?

I suppose that if someone wanted to use JUST that count on LLs they could also have a playing and betting strategy for that. Its an ub'd 10-point-count. zg

bnoc848 · Jul 31, 2006

i didnt understand the thing too well, so if im playing 8-deck using KO when would i take the bet?

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