Profit Report Revisited

QFIT

Well-Known Member
ST Cookbook is missing some stuff, but then it says so at the start and everything on ST is missing stuff. I don't think it talks enough about betting. But, it is still a must read for ST.
 

Katweezel

Well-Known Member
Sonny said:
Huh? It was pure mathematics that derived the playing and betting strategies. It was pure mathematics that discovered the dynamics of the game and the movement of the house edge. How can you say that the math ignores these factors? That doesn't make any sense. That's like saying a car manufacturer ignores the dynamics of the cars it makes.

-Sonny-
FredP, Sonny's quote (above) is in response to your sentence: ..."However, pure mathemetics ignores the dynamics of a game like blackjack, where the frequency of premium hands and the ability to vary playing strategy comes into play"...

Yours is an intriguing sentence containing tantalizing clues... You talk of the frequency of premium hands (and inferring the frequency of non-premium hands). Could you share some of those figures from your research, if you would; without giving away too much?...

With dealer busts @ 28.20%, does this high figure play any part in your system?

Now comes the $64 question regarding that sentence. HOW AND WHY IS YOUR CLAIM VALID? :cool:
 

zengrifter

Banned
Sonny said:
picasso: "A progression system will work and win in the long run given the correct playing conditions."

Sonny: "Feel free to update us on your progress and discuss your results, but don’t waste our time with any more claims that are blatantly false."
Picasso's statement above is TRUE, I believe. This has been pointed out by several theorists including Peter Griffin. Yes? zg
 

zengrifter

Banned
Sonny said:
The purpose of this forum is to discuss various aspects of "voodoo" systems, not to claim that they give any long-term advantage or to promote any particular system. I agree that the posting guidelines are very vague for this forum so maybe I'll put a little thought into that and run some ideas by Ken. It looks like we need to set some clear boundaries here.
Voodoo claims should not be disallowed by a rules tweak - many of the best Voodoo discussions were instigated by one or another Voodoo claim.

The Voodoo Forum is not specifically solely for debunking voodoo - debunking voodoo is a natural function of the community but not the stated purpose of the forum, nor should it be. zg
 

fredperson

Active Member
Sonny said:
You seem very confident that your code is reliable. I'm excited to see what you present to us. Hopefully it wasn't all just empty bragging.

-Sonny-
First of all, Mr. Sonny, I have no intention of "presenting" my code to you
or anybody else. Writing a BJ simulator is not rocket science, and the results were easily validated.
Secondly, I'm still chuckling about your offer to "fix" my code. Thanks, but no thanks.
 

daddybo

Well-Known Member
fredperson said:
First of all, Mr. Sonny, I have no intention of "presenting" my code to you
or anybody else. Writing a BJ simulator is not rocket science, and the results were easily validated.
Secondly, I'm still chuckling about your offer to "fix" my code. Thanks, but no thanks.
All I can say.... is....
 

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Sonny

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zengrifter said:
The Voodoo Forum is not specifically solely for debunking voodoo
I guess that's where we disagree. The Voodoo forum should be a place to educate people so that they can avoid the pitfalls that most gamblers fall victim to. We should show them how to spot the scam artists and system sellers out there. We should teach them how to tell if their own systems are effective or not, and if they aren't we should show them why. We should show people the flaws in typical gambler's logic that are costing them money and draining their bankrolls. We should be helping people, not confusing them by allowing any random gambler with a system make false claims. There are plenty of other websites out there where people can brag about their progression systems and make any claims they want. This forum should not be another one of those.

-Sonny-
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
fredperson said:
I have no intention of "presenting" my code to you or anybody else.
So it looks like you're sticking with the empty bragging. We've certainly heard enough of that from you. I've given you plenty of time to make your opinions known and your voice has been heard. Obviously you've said everything you have to say and you have nothing more to offer. There's no reason to repeat the same empty claims over and over. Please do not post again until you are ready so share something legitimate.

-Sonny-
 

zengrifter

Banned
Sonny said:
So it looks like you're sticking with the empty bragging. We've certainly heard enough of that from you. I've given you plenty of time to make your opinions known and your voice has been heard. Obviously you've said everything you have to say and you have nothing more to offer. There's no reason to repeat the same empty claims over and over. Please do not post again until you are ready so share something legitimate.
Too harsh. zg
 

johndoe

Well-Known Member
zengrifter said:
Too harsh. zg
I don't think so at all.

All this progression nonsense is much like someone coming onto a forum full of physicists, announcing that they had made a successful perpetual motion machine, and that all of known physics is somehow wrong.

But they won't prove it, won't describe it in detail, and steadfastly refuse to consider all rational arguments as to why this might not be possible. But they keep claiming all sorts of success with it.

I think giving these idiots any forum at all for their nonsense is more than generous.
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
gambler's fallacy

Sonny said:
I guess that's where we disagree. The Voodoo forum should be a place to educate people so that they can avoid the pitfalls that most gamblers fall victim to. ............ We should teach them how to tell if their own systems are effective or not, and if they aren't we should show them why. We should show people the flaws in typical gambler's logic that are costing them money and draining their bankrolls. .....

-Sonny-
would maybe one reason why it's so hard to let go of the gambler's fallacy and the maturity of chances sort of reasoning be that true randomness is really only an idealized human mental construct and that a genuine one hundred percent random event may not even really exist?:confused::whip:
 
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