Qfit - RPC CV Tables

bjcount · Jun 5, 2008

Qfit,

Just received CVBJ in th email.
Can you email me import file for the RPC CV tables as discuss in the CV Drills thread or will I have to figure out how to enter all the data myself?

I havent read thru the manual yet, but can you tell me quickly how to set the card point values so I can set up the counting drills.

Thanks
BJC

Copies of thread:
(Qfit)
I can supply the CV tables for RPC if you can prove you have bought the tables. I got them from Revere himself in his living room. But, I won't violate copyrights.

For some reason, Revere no longer answers my calls I will assume you had the book.

sagefr0g · Jun 5, 2008

bjcount said:
Qfit,

Just received CVBJ in th email.
Can you email me import file for the RPC CV tables as discuss in the CV Drills thread or will I have to figure out how to enter all the data myself?

I havent read thru the manual yet, but can you tell me quickly how to set the card point values so I can set up the counting drills.

Thanks
BJC

Copies of thread:
(Qfit)
I can supply the CV tables for RPC if you can prove you have bought the tables. I got them from Revere himself in his living room. But, I won't violate copyrights.

For some reason, Revere no longer answers my calls I will assume you had the book.

pretty sure he's got e-mail support and i think phone.

zengrifter · Jun 5, 2008

bjcount said:
Copies of thread:
(Qfit)
I can supply the CV tables for RPC if you can prove you have bought the tables. I got them from Revere himself in his living room. But, I won't violate copyrights.
For some reason, Revere no longer answers my calls I will assume you had the book.

Someone with CVSim, please generate a rounded composite RPC set - two actually - one for s17 and one for h17 - including both DAS and nonDAS + surrender. Run them for 4D @ 1/4D TC.

After you get the above, we'll go over how to combine and condense to a single composit set. And the 1/4D #s - you'll just multiply them x2 and that will take care of the final rounding. zg

bjcount · Jun 5, 2008

Qfit,
Do not need your instructions for set up, configured RPC 4D (from PBJasAB) into CVBJ and double checked using the flashcard drills to confirm data was entered correctly. Everything A-OK, so far.

ZG- As soon as the sims are available I will follow your instructions for combining and condensing to a single composit set.

Thank you.

zengrifter · Jun 6, 2008

bjcount said:
ZG- As soon as the sims are available I will follow your instructions for combining and condensing to a single composit set.

Does anyone have, or otherrwise inclined to run, the matrices described above? zg

nightspirit · Jun 8, 2008

Qfit published a compromised strategy with the RPC-tags long ago. It's on his homepage
The RPC-Lite (Revere Point Count) Strategy.
Automatic Monkey also published a strategy, optimized for backcounting. Ben Franklin count
IIRC I have seen some generated indices in the archives of bjrnet.com as well.

zengrifter · Jun 8, 2008

Well, if we can't get fresh RPC#s, start with the Rukus 2DTC ZEN #s (the unrounded set#1), which should work just fine for RPC, IMHO.

Divide each index in half as a starting point. Then further condense to the "Grifter-60", then round further by eye to achieve personal pattern convienience.

Once you've done that, post them for a look see, and then maybe someone can attempt to prove if they are as good/better/worse than the mainframe-generated #s of Revere 30+ years ago. zg

Ps - Another option is to use one of the free index generators found in the FREE RESOURCES sticky in this forum.

Rukus 2DTC ZEN

zengrifter · Jun 8, 2008

zengrifter said:
Well, if we can't get fresh RPC#s, start with the Rukus 2DTC ZEN #s (the unrounded set#1), which should work just fine for RPC, IMHO.

Divide each index in half as a starting point.

Oops, we want a 1/2D matrix, so divide the 2DTC #s by FOUR! zg

rukus · Jun 8, 2008

zengrifter said:
Does anyone have, or otherrwise inclined to run, the matrices described above? zg

i am out of town away from home computer for the next few weeks, but can take a crack at this if someone reminds me at the end of june (if you guys want to wait that long :grin: ).

zengrifter · Jun 9, 2008

rukus said:
i am out of town away from home computer for the next few weeks, but can take a crack at this if someone reminds me at the end of june (if you guys want to wait that long :grin: ).

I am guessing that the conversion from ZEN 2DTC described above will be so close to RPC 1/2DTC, after final rounding, that no further index generation will be necessary. zg

bjcount · Jun 9, 2008

zengrifter said:
Oops, we want a 1/2D matrix, so divide the 2DTC #s by FOUR! zg

Here is the conversion chart by 1/2DTC. I havent looked at grouping or "eyeballing" yet.:

Oops, missed the 7,7 vT the 17 should convert to 4

QFIT · Jun 9, 2008

zengrifter said:
Ps - Another option is to use one of the free index generators

The indexes in the books are more accurate than the indexes from the free generators. Also halving the original Zen indexes (not the newer ones) would also be more accurate.

zengrifter · Jun 9, 2008

QFIT said:
Also halving the original Zen indexes (not the newer ones) would also be more accurate.

Original ZEN#s (1DTC) found here -
(Dead link: http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/zen_count_indices.htm)

zengrifter · Jun 24, 2008

bjcount said:
Here is the conversion chart by 1/2DTC. I havent looked at grouping or "eyeballing" yet.:

Hey Rukus - Stork is also intent on learning RPC with 1/2DTC. Some experts would say that I'm doing them an injustice by dispelling the myth of the sancrosact relationship of specif card tag sets to resultant matrices - like using the ZEN above for RPC.

How about running off a 4D RPC set for 1/2DTC? Be interesting to see how far they are off from these ZEN#s. zg

kewljason · Jun 24, 2008

16 vs 9

the index for standing on 16 vs dealer 9 is 0. doesn't seem correct to me. possible misprint?

zengrifter · Jun 24, 2008

kewljason said:
the index for standing on 16 vs dealer 9 is 0. doesn't seem correct to me. possible misprint?

No, it is correct. Its a close play that most all modern systems peg at 0 or +1. zg

kewljason · Jun 24, 2008

really? I know the index for 16 vs X is in the zero range. I thought the index for 16 vs 9 was more in the 4 or 5 range. I'll have to recheck my info. Maybe I've been misplaying this hand for years.

rukus · Jun 24, 2008

zengrifter said:
Hey Rukus - Stork is also intent on learning RPC with 1/2DTC. Some experts would say that I'm doing them an injustice by dispelling the myth of the sancrosact relationship of specif card tag sets to resultant matrices - like using the ZEN above for RPC.

How about running off a 4D RPC set for 1/2DTC? Be interesting to see how far they are off from these ZEN#s. zg

i can try to get something done this week. have been doing a lot of traveling recently, but will try and knock something off by the end of this week.

zengrifter · Jun 24, 2008

kewljason said:
really? I know the index for 16 vs X is in the zero range. I thought the index for 16 vs 9 was more in the 4 or 5 range. I'll have to recheck my info. Maybe I've been misplaying this hand for years.

Oops, I was talking about 16v10. 16v9=0 is a MISTAKE. zg

kewljason · Jun 24, 2008

thanx zen. I kind of figured it was. I use +5 for my standing index on 16vs9. that sound about right?

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