The End of Advantage Play

kewljason

kewljason

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we've previously heard this numerous times. In the late 60's and 70's, 6 and 8 decks games were going to be the end of advantage play. It wasn't!! In the 90's CSM, would end advantage play. The public rejected these in many places. Then tables that tracked RFID chips. Again not widely accepted by the public. I can't imagine the general public will be any more accepting of small camera's gazing upon their cards! And if the public doesn't accept it and stops playing, it won't last long.
 
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Sandy Eggo

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Hmm, explains why I haven't liked Barona...and that they need to bus in their players.

But they sure do market themselves like San Diego's Caesar's Palace as the place high rollers go.
 
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callipygian

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SD Padres said:
AP play will be around for a very long time...if not forever.
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This is inevitable. As countermeasures work, AP's decrease, and the cost of implementing countermeasures decreases.

This is why AP will neither become wildly popular (in which case expensive-but-effective countermeasures are economically justified) nor die (in which case casinos would stop using countermeasures).
 
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don

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Tangam TableEye21

From looking at Tangam's website and viewing the demos for their products, they would only need a single camera that is located on the ceiling above the blackjack table. Video clips of the software in action here. (Archive copy)

I was looking at the screenshots of their TableEye21 software and it shows the cards dealt to each player at the table. Underneath each card there is a number that I don't really understand (under a 3 is a 61, under a 10 is a 51, etc.). It doesn't seem to match the card value or count. Any ideas?

Here's a link to the screenshot: (Dead link: http://www.tangamgaming.com/images/screenshots/bj/callback.png) _callback.png_
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Don't forget that this news article is essentially an advertisement for the system written by the people who are selling it, poorly disguised as a news article. Of course they are going to tout it as "the end of advantage play," as well as an effective player rating system, theft detector, fire alarm, hair restorative, etc.

Ultimately all these things are just data gathering tools that are useful as long as the people receiving the data know what to do with it and the AP's give it the information it needs to do its job.
 
SD Padres

SD Padres

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Automatic Monkey said:
Don't forget that this news article is essentially an advertisement for the system written by the people who are selling it, poorly disguised as a news article. Of course they are going to tout it as "the end of advantage play," as well as an effective player rating system, theft detector, fire alarm, hair restorative, etc.

Ultimately all these things are just data gathering tools that are useful as long as the people receiving the data know what to do with it and the AP's give it the information it needs to do its job.
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Don't forget male enhancement!
 
Katweezel

Katweezel

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86 for Max

Dealers are just gonna love this new technology aren't they... If it shows they are not up to speed, it's back to the Big Wheel or the Keno lounge, or get re-educated. Of the many management-benefits, "catch more APs" is high on the list. I move that Max Rubin be instantly 86'd from the BJ Hall of Fame. :cat:
 
EasyRhino

EasyRhino

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callipygian said:
Rubin is a paid consultant for Barona, is he not?
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Rubin is so damn far up Barona's ass that he'll never see daylight.

That being said, there were a few interesting things.

- Barona was experimenting with mindplay (Ballys) a couple years ago. Guess they went with this instead.
- I've stared up at the surveillance cameras, and I'm not sure you could tell the difference between a tracking camera and a regular surveillance camera
- The telltale indicator for this current incarnation would be the dealer's ID card that they leave on the table. It looks like a prisoner's serial number, and they leave it on the back edge of the table near where they drop cash.
 
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