No hole card and early surrender

Just want to know if the dealer doesn't deal a hole card, and offers surrender (except an ace), is this called early surrender?

Early surrender allows you to surrender your hand BEFORE the dealer peeks at the hole card for a blackjack. I don't know if early surrender is ever offerred in a no-hole-card game, since I have never seen such a game. In my experience, it has always been "Late" surrender, if surrender is available at all.

do you lose all bets to a dealers blackjack or just original ones?

I lose all bets if dealer is blackjack. Such games with no-hole-card rule and offering surrender are available in Macau.

The best thing to do then is go to the basic strategy engine and input early surrender and european no hole card, that will give you the strategy. But since you can't surrender against an ace go back and enter all the same rules except change it to no surrender and follow that chart for what to do against an ace.

To calculate the house edge for your game take the value it gives you for no hole card and no surrender and then subtract approximately 0.25 from that value.

P.S. Its called early surrender except against a dealers ace

Got it. Thanks a lot.

bethedealer

In the Euporean NO Hole Card game, ENHC, which is played by almost everybody else in the world outside the US the terms Early Surrender and Late Surrender does not really apply. To be precise you have Early Surrender against any card except the Ace and NO Surrender against the Ace. So these terms are purely for the US players.
As for the calculation for the house advantage I would use the Late Surrender number in this website as an approximation. To use the Early Surrender number would mean that the house advantage would turn negative which is not possible in the real world. For a more accurate look at this you can visit http://www.wizardofodds.com which has the detail math for the diffirent cards and play.
The important point I am making is that this is only a theoretical figure and would only apply if you are playing perfect Basic Strategy. Your actual house advantage depends on how you actually play the game. I have seen players throw their money at the casino with horrendous play and the house advantage there must be in the double digits.
So once again don't be fooled by the universal perception that "BJ has the lowest house advantage of all the casino games".

johntks said:

As for the calculation for the house advantage I would use the Late Surrender number in this website as an approximation. To use the Early Surrender number would mean that the house advantage would turn negative which is not possible in the real world.

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If instead you follow what i said in my earlier post you will get an accurate representation of both the house edge and the perfect basic strategy.

E-town-guy said:

The best thing to do then is go to the basic strategy engine and input early surrender and european no hole card, that will give you the strategy. But since you can't surrender against an ace go back and enter all the same rules except change it to no surrender and follow that chart for what to do against an ace.

To calculate the house edge for your game take the value it gives you for no hole card and no surrender and then subtract approximately 0.25 from that value.

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So, you are saing that this particular rule gives to player advantage 0.25% .
Where i can find indices for this rule-early surrender for ENHC ( Hi-Opt1 ).

No that is not correct, I must not have not been clear. If you give me the exact rules I can calculate the casino's edge but assuming:
4 decks, stand of soft 17, DA2, DAS:

Casino edge: -0.14% (but you must add 0.25% since no early surrender against ace) therefore the true edge casino edge is:

0.11%, if the dealer hits soft 17 then the corrected edge is about 0.32%

Edit: I don't know how the indices vary from Hi-optI to Hi-lo but for these rules and hi-lo you can find the indices in either Professional blackjack or blackbelt in blackjack.

My rules are here : http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=843 + that surrender , so i am guessing that i would have adv +0.30% or something like that.

Without taking into account the fact that suited blackjacks pay 2:1 the casino's advantage NOT YOUR's is 0.17% (I don't know what edge the 2:1 BJs add)

The penetration isn't that great but maybe the suited blackjacks make up for that. Still sounds like a good game worth attacking.

suited bj gives me +0.57%

So with just basic strategy you have about a 0.4% edge OVER the casino. Sounds like an excellent game.