Cipher Software

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123torrent

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Ok, first off, I briefly searched around in the forums and didn't really see much more than a mention of this software, but if there is a thread on it, just point me to it.

I trust some of you guya have heard/seen this guys software and I wanted your opinions on it.

This guy sells a piece software for almost $600 U.S where you have to manually key in your hands/dealers hands and it charts an alleged pattern deciding on when its time to up your bet enormously to chase your loss and come out with a profit. I found it laughable at first, so I'm not sure if I'm missing something or not a pro enough to understand. I don't mean to come on and bash this guy's software, but come on... I mean, I could basically do the same tracking with a pencil and paper, and look at the "runs" of 4 losses then 1 win, then 4 losses then 3 wins, etc, etc. The concept seems insane ... $1 flat bets until there's some imaginery feeling that its going to turn then a large bet, which on the video demonstration always wins, of course, getting you back into proft status. Quit after 40 hands and you always win. Uhhh... yeah, ok. How about in the real world when you make that $256 bet and lose and are now down over $500. Back to $1 flat bets?
Insane.
 
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ScottH

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This might work if you are allowed to bring your laptop into the casino and enter in the hands, but I doubt that is possible. And most online casinos shuffle to often to get a huge advantage by counting. But by entering in the cards played you can know when you have the advantage, I just dont know if it's practical or not. And you certainly cant guarantee you will have profit after 40 hands.
 
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Gregory

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I watched the videos also and have to agree that I also am not "pro enough to understand". He did make a good chunk of change on the the videos though, and didn't even screw with the whole bonus thing. I have to respect that, even if there was some martingaling involved.
I did find it strange that on his website his says:
After tracking and recording better than 7,000,000 hands of Blackjack I can tell you for sure that I have not come across a single casino software that is not drastically affected when increased wager amounts are in play. You will be much better off staying in the lower wager amounts
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But in the videos he is tossing up table max bets of $500.00.
 
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CIPHER

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Gregory said:
I watched the videos also and have to agree that I also am not "pro enough to understand". He did make a good chunk of change on the the videos though, and didn't even screw with the whole bonus thing. I have to respect that, even if there was some martingaling involved.
I did find it strange that on his website his says:

But in the videos he is tossing up table max bets of $500.00.
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Hi Gregory:

I was Googling around a bit today and came across this site and thread and thought I might add a little commentary hereto. First off I developed the CIPHER program a little more than eight years ago now and I've recorded well over 10,000,000 hands of play on the Internet.

You're quit right in saying that I do not take advantage of Bonus play as I for one feel that they're the kiss of death to any successful gambling a person might enjoy.

Lastly, your comment of my "tossing up table max bets of $500.00." Now you can probably understand why there are several videos on my site to show how when and why I toss up those table max bets of $500.00.

Here's a recent and little more lively sample of those table max bets you speak off.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 

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ScottH

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CIPHER said:
Hi Gregory:

I was Googling around a bit today and came across this site and thread and thought I might add a little commentary hereto. First off I developed the CIPHER program a little more than eight years ago now and I've recorded well over 10,000,000 hands of play on the Internet.

You're quit right in saying that I do not take advantage of Bonus play as I for one feel that they're the kiss of death to any successful gambling a person might enjoy.

Lastly, your comment of my "tossing up table max bets of $500.00." Now you can probably understand why there are several videos on my site to show how when and why I toss up those table max bets of $500.00.

Here's a recent and little more lively sample of those table max bets you speak off.

Have a good one.

Cipher
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What is the address to your site?
 
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ScottH

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This program is only for people who think online poker is rigged. In a fair game analyzing trends or patterns won't help you.
 
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CIPHER

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ScottH said:
This program is only for people who think online poker is rigged. In a fair game analyzing trends or patterns won't help you.
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Hi Scott:

Well it sounds like you and I ought to hook up and go head to head on say 50 sessions of Blackjack at say 35 hands a session and you'll find out how ridiculous that statement is. And since you seem to be the all knowing authority on Blackjack I'll even let you name the stakes for this little endeavor.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 
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ScottH

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CIPHER said:
Hi Scott:

Well it sounds like you and I ought to hook up and go head to head on say 50 sessions of Blackjack at say 35 hands a session and you'll find out how ridiculous that statement is. And since you seem to be the all knowing authority on Blackjack I'll even let you name the stakes for this little endeavor.

Have a good one.

Cipher
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It's not just me. It is well known that there is no betting system to overcome the house advantage in a fair blackjack game without counting.

And sure, I will accept your challenge for small stakes. As long as the play is done at a reputable casino. I suggest Intercasino since I can play while finishing the withdrawal requirement for the June monthly bonus. Because I dont want to play at a disadvantage and hand the casino money just to accept your challenge.

I also read that you think bonuses are the "kiss of death" to online players, so you will have an even greater advantage over me since I will accept the bonus.
 
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CIPHER

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ScottH said:
It's not just me. It is well known that there is no betting system to overcome the house advantage in a fair blackjack game without counting.

And sure, I will accept your challenge for small stakes. As long as the play is done at a reputable casino. I suggest Intercasino since I can play while finishing the withdrawal requirement for the June monthly bonus. Because I dont want to play at a disadvantage and hand the casino money just to accept your challenge.

I also read that you think bonuses are the "kiss of death" to online players, so you will have an even greater advantage over me since I will accept the bonus.
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Good enough.

Small stakes to me is say $5,000.00.

So whoever finishes the 50 sessions of 35 hands per session with the higher margin of profit as reported by INTERCASINO'S log viewer will be the winner of the other persons $5,000.00. All play will be completed by Midnight Pacific Standard time on the 31st of May 2006.

Each player will buy in for $2,500.00 and you'll receive your normal INTERCASINO bonus and I'll even match that bonus by giving you the Bonus I would receive from INTERCASINO as well. Just let me know when you're ready to deposit your funds on account at Intercasino.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 
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ScottH

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CIPHER said:
Good enough.

Small stakes to me is say $5,000.00.

So whoever finishes the 50 sessions of 35 hands per session with the higher margin of profit as reported by INTERCASINO'S log viewer will be the winner of the other persons $5,000.00. All play will be completed by Midnight Pacific Standard time on the 31st of May 2006.

Each player will buy in for $2,500.00 and you'll receive your normal INTERCASINO bonus and I'll even match that bonus by giving you the Bonus I would receive from INTERCASINO as well. Just let me know when you're ready to deposit your funds on account at Intercasino.

Have a good one.

Cipher
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Well, small stakes to you are too high for me to put down on 1750 hands of blackjack. Since 1750 hands is a fairly small amount of hands to really "prove" anything, I wouldn't want to risk very much money on short-term results. I was thinking more like, 100 dollars. Apparently 100 dollars is almost nothing for you, but it's almost a weeks worth of work at my part-time job to me. And if your system works, you would make more than the 100 dollar bet anyway. So if you still want to do the challenge, it would have to be sometime in JUNE, since I want to get the June monthly bonus.

You said you have played over 10 million hands of blackjack since you made the Cipher software. Do you have any records on how much you have won/loss over all of those hands?
 
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CIPHER

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ScottH said:
Well, small stakes to you are too high for me to put down on 1750 hands of blackjack. Since 1750 hands is a fairly small amount of hands to really "prove" anything, I wouldn't want to risk very much money on short-term results. I was thinking more like, 100 dollars. Apparently 100 dollars is almost nothing for you, but it's almost a weeks worth of work at my part-time job to me. And if your system works, you would make more than the 100 dollar bet anyway. So if you still want to do the challenge, it would have to be sometime in JUNE, since I want to get the June monthly bonus.

You said you have played over 10 million hands of blackjack since you made the Cipher software. Do you have any records on how much you have won/loss over all of those hands?
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Hi Scott:

I'm going to assume that your Blackjack endeavors do not yield a meaningful income for you but I'll keep the aforementioned offer open to you so as to give you a chance to see if some of those who believe as you do would like to put their money behind their theories. That includes the likes of Michael Shackleford and any other mathematicians and/or purported pros you'd like to bring to the table.

Lastly, if you bothered to have watched even one video of my CIPHER play you would have well realize that everything incident to a session of Blackjack is recorded and nothing is left to chance.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 
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ScottH

Well-Known Member
CIPHER said:
Hi Scott:

I'm going to assume that your Blackjack endeavors do not yield a meaningful income for you but I'll keep the aforementioned offer open to you so as to give you a chance to see if some of those who believe as you do would like to put their money behind their theories. That includes the likes of Michael Shackleford and any other mathematicians and/or purported pros you'd like to bring to the table.

Lastly, if you bothered to have watched even one video of my CIPHER play you would have well realize that everything incident to a session of Blackjack is recorded and nothing is left to chance.

Have a good one.

Cipher
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Yeah, you record all the cards played, BUT that cant give you any significant edge playing online. Just because 3 losses in a row repeats 3 different times does not affect the outcome of the next hand in any way.

Lets say we roll a 6-sided dice 10 times and the outcomes are as follows.

1
1
1
3
1
1
1
3
1
1

I see a pattern there, but should I bet big on 1 expecting the pattern to continue? On my 11th roll I still only have a 1/6 chance of getting a 1, with or without any patterns. Or do you think patterns only emerge while playing blackjack?
 
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