% pen DD

Played DD this weekend. I normally play 6D, as that is what they offer in my home state of AZ. What is a minimum acceptable % pen for DD? Game is H17, DOA, DAS, Split A’s once.

I was in an area that had 4 casinos in NM this weekend. They all had DD with a pen of 50% plus/minus. Played hi-lo in 3 shops and lost in all of them. Wondering if the pen was part of the problem??

Sage said:

I was in an area that had 4 casinos in NM this weekend. They all had DD with a pen of 50% plus/minus. Played hi-lo in 3 shops and lost in all of them. Wondering if the pen was part of the problem??

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The pen hurt and poor PE hurt. Do you just use HILO or do you add a side count or 2?

Just use Hi-Lo. Saw a post here the other day that HI-Lo was fine for DD.
But that is the count I use regardless.
It seemed that most of the time the TC was less than 1

Sage said:

Just use Hi-Lo. Saw a post here the other day that HI-Lo was fine for DD.
But that is the count I use regardless.
It seemed that most of the time the TC was less than 1

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3 sessions is not enough to decide anything on. HILO is at best adequate for DD. They tend to not tolerate large spreads so BC is less important to begin with. You get much larger range of TCs along with a higher frequency of extreme TCs. Gain as an index is exceeded is proportional to the correlation to your count's tags to the EOR values for the hand match up. That is why PE is so important in SD and DD. PE is sort of an average of this correlation overall for hand match ups. Hilo has many strong index plays were you realize this gain but it also has many very weak ones were your gain is very small as the index is exceeded by a lot. Side counts can help some of these match ups and strengthen others.

DD Pen

Flash

As the tables become crowded pen is less valuable.

With the 60% pen, what is the max number of players / hands being played before you leave?

If the pen is 75% how many hands/players until you leave?

Thanks
Zach

As the tables become crowded pen is less valuable.

With the 60% pen, what is the max number of players / hands being played before you leave?

If the pen is 75% how many hands/players until you leave?

As the tables become crowded penetration is a MORE crucial variable.

With 60% pen you can expect to see 5 rounds with 3 others (4 & dealer)

With 75% pen you can expect to see 6 rounds with 3 others (4 & dealer)

I do not suggest playing with more than that. Two is bad enough.

Normally, one should avoid playing even with two others where possible.

I cite three "others" here as a rule of thumb re: maximum crowding;

and it only holds if the Rules are (at least) good.

It is best to try to play when the tables are the least crowded.

That is a priority in DD games.


A Level Two (or better) count should be employed in a DD game

irrespective of the rules, level of penetration, etc.

FLASH1296 said:

As the tables become crowded pen is less valuable.

With the 60% pen, what is the max number of players / hands being played before you leave?

If the pen is 75% how many hands/players until you leave?

As the tables become crowded penetration is a MORE crucial variable.

With 60% pen you can expect to see 5 rounds with 3 others (4 & dealer)

With 75% pen you can expect to see 6 rounds with 3 others (4 & dealer)

I do not suggest playing with more than that. Two is bad enough.

Normally, one should avoid playing even with two others where possible.

I cite three "others" here as a rule of thumb re: maximum crowding;

and it only holds if the Rules are (at least) good.

It is best to try to play when the tables are the least crowded.

That is a priority in DD games.


A Level Two (or better) count should be employed in a DD game

irrespective of the rules, level of penetration, etc.

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One more thing to consider. If you have 75% pen and are stuck at a full table... do what you have to do to get the third base spot.

The last round of every shuffle, when it is your turn to act you could end up being extremely deep into the double deck. Obviously this can be quite valuable. Granted you are still usually better off with fewer players. But keep this in mind.

Thanks for the advice.

I've been avoiding playing tables with 60% pen if there are three hands already being played.

If the there's 75% pen I usually play with three other players for a total of 4 hands.