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ringlejames

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[This has been moved from another thread. - SONNY]

aslan said:
I don't understand the buy-in for cash either; they always check how much I am bringing to the table when I begin.
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AHHHHH

Pit Boss: (after seeing me double 2 siff hands from split tens and make 21 on both) "How much did you buy in for"
Me:$50 bucks
Pit boss: There seems to be a mix up it seems my employees think you have been here for 4 hours.
Me: Yeah I have
Pit boss: But you said you started with 1 $50 buy in and have not bought in for more.
Me: No.

Pit Boss: Ends he conversation by walking off and getting on the phone.

Me: Can someone get me wheel chair. I was hurt at that time.:grin::cool:

I also believe the president of the casino was at the door to see me out.

I rotfl'd
 
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21gunsalute

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ringlejames said:
AHHHHH

Pit Boss: (after seeing me double 2 siff hands from split tens and make 21 on both) "How much did you buy in for"
Me:$50 bucks
Pit boss: There seems to be a mix up it seems my employees think you have been here for 4 hours.
Me: Yeah I have
Pit boss: But you said you started with 1 $50 buy in and have not bought in for more.
Me: No.

Pit Boss: Ends he conversation by walking off and getting on the phone.

Me: Can someone get me wheel chair. I was hurt at that time.:grin::cool:

I also believe the president of the casino was at the door to see me out.

I rotfl'd
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Please revisit rule #5 from post #11.
 
Sonny

Sonny

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ringlejames said:
Pit Boss: (after seeing me double 2 siff hands from split tens and make 21 on both) "How much did you buy in for"
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Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

-Sonny-
 
aslan

aslan

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Sonny said:
Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

-Sonny-
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Treating this as a serious inquiry, the obvious answer is: when somehow you know what is probably coming in the next two hits. I rule out precognition (voodoo). I rule out a flash in a shoe dealt game. In a plus count such as this, it is more likely that a ten or ace will drop rather than the desired card to transform a stiff into a twenty-one. One thing I cannot rule out is marked cards, if the cards protrude enough from the shoe to discern the markings. Another possibility might be tracking a slug of cards heavy in 8s and 9s. Any other ideas?
 
Coyote

Coyote

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Sonny said:
Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

-Sonny-
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I don't get either? What the heck? Double a natural maybe...? That would be the only thing I can think of......
 
NAP

NAP

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Coyote said:
I don't get either? What the heck? Double a natural? That would be the only thing I can think of......
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But a natural is not a stiff...
 
Coyote

Coyote

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NAP said:
But a natural is not a stiff...
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That is true NAP. I do understand. That was the only thing I could think of that would seem remotely logical to double on.
 
NAP

NAP

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Coyote said:
That is true NAP. I do understand. That was the only thing I could think of that would seem remotely logical to double on.
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I think you made a false assumption about his play! :laugh:
 
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ringlejames

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Sonny said:
Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

-Sonny-
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I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9's. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6's got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information:whip::devil: but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don't need to work often and I love to learn.

The math is there I just dont know it.
 
jaygruden

jaygruden

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1. Why would you split tens in a "negative count"?
2. Why would you then double a stiff vs dealer 3 up card? Even if you know the deck is "rich in neutral cards" this doesn't make sense to me. If that's the case then the dealer is not likely to bust with a 3 up.....she is likely to hit a pat hand if there are a abundance of 8/7.:confused:
 
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tthree

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ringlejames said:
I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9's. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6's got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information:whip::devil: but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don't need to work often and I love to learn.

The math is there I just dont know it.
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If the dealer has a 3 up and flips a 7 and draws a 7 he has 17 if he turns a 9 and flips a 9 he has 21. Splitting tens is based as much on the dealer busting as you pulling a great card. Your explanation has none of these criterion. Doubling a stiff also doesn't follow with your explanation as my initial sentence shows.

Also you want the pit to overestimate your buy-in so I am not sure why you insisted on a $50 buy-in. You just showed a huge win even if you got away with ratholing. Are you sure you have been in a casino? Maybe it was Chuckee Cheese.
 
aslan

aslan

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ringlejames said:
I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9's. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6's got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information:whip::devil: but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don't need to work often and I love to learn.

The math is there I just dont know it.
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zengrifter, is that you? :laugh: Don't you ever tire having fun? C'mon! Come clean. It is you. I'd know that sense of humor anywhere! :laugh:
 
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AussiePlayer

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ringlejames said:
I may ramble a lot and post misleading information:whip::devil: but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

The math is there I just dont know it.
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This could be the smartest thing you've ever said!
 
jaygruden

jaygruden

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aslan said:
zengrifter, is that you? :laugh: Don't you ever tire having fun? C'mon! Come clean. It is you. I'd know that sense of humor anywhere! :laugh:
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Now that would be really funny.....talk about an extreme bout of trolling:laugh:
 
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