it used to drive me crazy when i needed to wong out of tables at casinos where the tables were over crowded. now i see it as a good thing if the casino allows backline betting. in such circumstances you have a good excuse for standing around the tables as if waiting for a seat. all the time though your counting the pack down so you can plop down a backline bet when the count is good. you want to do it behind a player that is a good basic strategist.jetace said:
Simple steps to successfully solo wonging:jetace said:
Sonny said:The “casino virgin” routine can work pretty well, but only a few times in a particular casino. You can stand behind the tables and act as though you are amazed by the game. If the dealer asks you if you want to play you can say “Not yet, I’m still getting the hang of it” or “No, it’s cheaper just to watch.” That way if the shoe turns positive you can jump in with “I think I’ve got it now. Let’s give it a try.”
Standing at another game nearby (like craps or 3-card poker) can also give you a chance to watch the blackjack action from a distance without looking obvious. Be sure to look up at the ceiling as well. Sometimes casinos have mirrors on the ceiling so that you can actually watch a game on the other side of the pit. You’ve got your own eye-in-the-sky!
Another good one is what I call the “moving TARGET” player. You walk around the casino very slowly. This may allow you to count 1-2 rounds before reaching a table. You don’t even need to stop to watch if you have good eyesight because you have already counted the shoe as you approached it. If the count is highly negative then start watching the next table down the line, otherwise you can ask the players some sort of stupid question (mention something about “hot” tables, “cold” dealers, “biased” shoes, or some other nonsense) until you are ready to play. That way you look like a typical Patrick/Patterson player, which the casinos love! :gaga: As you Wong out of a negative deck mention something about a “switchback” you missed in “Phase 2.” As much as I hate to say it, you might want to read a Patrick/Patterson book just to learn the inane lingo and irrational mindset of a “system“ player. The pit won't mind you walking around staring at the tables if they think you're looking for full ashtrays. :laugh:
If you have a girlfriend/boyfriend with you then you can pull off the “this is so romantic” routine. Just stand really close to each other while holding hands. Occasionally whisper something in his/her ear. This works great if your partner can also count cards because you can look over each other’s shoulder and whisper “I’m at -3, how about the table behind me?” Even if your partner doesn’t count they will still appreciate the extra attention.
There are plenty of other backcounting tricks, but I’ll leave those up to your imagination.
-Sonny-
Sure, it works just as well. You can often find a positive count more often in DD games as well. In fact, it is about the only way to make some of those Downtown Vegas DD games playable! Sometimes I'll just "Wong through" a casino on my way to another casino.avs21 said:
I recently tried a couple times wonging at SD games in Northern Nevada. Never any comments by players one dealer scolded me when I sat out a really negative count.I found out on my last trip wonging out for one hand on SD games to be alot easier than I thought. Barbary coast in LV allows mid deck entry on DD games.rdorange said:
Wonging SD games can be much easier (and fun!) because you really only need to watch the first round. If the deck doesn't turn positive right away then you won't get enough profitable hands before the shuffle. That way you don't have to stand around backcounting for very long before finding another table. Also, you can find a fresh shuffle much more often since they are quick and frequent.avs21 said:
they could just as easy recognize what you are up to at a $5 table as one that is higher stakes. i think you should be very careful about this, extremely crafty.Tom007 said:
Not necessarily. You can start backcounting in mid-shoe as long as you adjust your TC to account for the unseen cards:hopson77 said:
Sometimes the count will drop during the first several hands then jump back up suddenly. I’ll usually watch through the first two decks. If the count isn’t positive by then I will look for another shoe.hopson77 said:
Start at the IRC and see how things go. You're pretending that it is the top of the shoe even though some of it has already been dealt. Since you haven't counted any cards yet you would start at the IRC and wait for the rest of the shoe to heat up.pawnbroker said: