My first trip to the casino.

Ok. I've been doing very well first few times wonging in/out of tables at Morongo. With a fixed bankroll of 500 dollars, I've won 300 altogether out of a few hour sessions in one week.

My streaks and winnings were fair but I seemed to have picked up alot of experience. Here are a few things I picked up.

Morongo, Cabazon California

Good:

-Blackjack pays 2-1!! (Limited time)
-Good Camoflouge and easily blended in crowd (along with a bunch of kids considering its 18 and over)
-Friendly and slower dealing dealers (Good for the amateur)
-Always an open table with less than 4 players (early weekdays, NOT ON WEEKEND NIGHTS)
-Hand shuffled

Bad:

-No surrender
-Penetration is exceptional (around 70%)
-8 Deck shoes
-Bad profit vs time (only $300 in one week, but very fair to an amateur counter with a low bankroll)
-Count is mostly negative and good counts are in very few hands

Overall, I'm satisfied. I'm looking forward into finding better game and conditions. I'm considering on playing a 6D shoe elsewhere but I can't find a place with better rules. 8D seems to have alot of bad flux and takes up valuable time waiting to wong in on a good count.

The fact that blackjack pays 2-1 is the only reason why I'm there. Is that a good enough reason to keep up my trips and sessions there? Or should I find better game? Thanks to everyone on this forum for the help. Hoping on some advice and opinions.

That game is a keeper. With the 2 to 1 payout on blackjack it adds 2.27% to your adv. The game has an adv off the top. I would just play the game without any wonging you will make more money per hour

twinturboguy said:

Ok. I've been doing very well first few times wonging in/out of tables at Morongo. With a fixed bankroll of 500 dollars, I've won 300 altogether out of a few hour sessions in one week.

My streaks and winnings were fair but I seemed to have picked up alot of experience. Here are a few things I picked up.

Morongo, Cabazon California

Good:

-Blackjack pays 2-1!!
-Good Camoflouge and easily blended in crowd (along with a bunch of kids considering its 18 and over)
-Friendly and slower dealing dealers (Good for the amateur)
-Always an open table with less than 4 players (early weekdays, NOT ON WEEKEND NIGHTS)
-Hand shuffled

Bad:

-No surrender
-Penetration is exceptional (around 70%)
-8 Deck shoes
-Bad profit vs time (only $300 in one week, but very fair to an amateur counter with a low bankroll)
-Count is mostly negative and good counts are in very few hands

Overall, I'm satisfied. I'm looking forward into finding better game and conditions. I'm considering on playing a 6D shoe elsewhere but I can't find a place with better rules. 8D seems to have alot of bad flux and takes up valuable time waiting to wong in on a good count.

The fact that blackjack pays 2-1 is the only reason why I'm there. Is that a good enough reason to keep up my trips and sessions there? Or should I find better game? Thanks to everyone on this forum for the help. Hoping on some advice and opinions.

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hey twin great report and story. sounds like you are employing great discipline. 2:1 on blackjacks is a great deal. that represents a +2.32 over a 3:2 blackjack game. very significant. is the 2:1 some kind of promotion? thats a rare one far as i know.
$300 is darned good for a few hour sessions even if it was spread over a week.

best regards,
mr fr0g

avs21 said:

That game is a keeper. With the 2 to 1 payout on blackjack it adds 2.27% to your adv. The game has an adv off the top. I would just play the game without any wonging you will make more money per hour

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Thats a bold statement. The house still has its significant edge so I wouldn't necessarily call it a keeper. Keep in mind it is an 8D shoe. With 8 decks, bad flux is prone to happen and with a fixed bankroll, you're hopes for it to compensate is by luck.

True that BJ pays 2 to 1 which is a BIG advantage for me but several rules make up for it such as no surrender and hit soft 17. But with patience, good counting skill, wonging in/out stragedy, and camoflouge, it should be bound to pay off.

Sage, here are the table conditions:

Penetration 70%
H17
DAS
Resplit Aces (One card for split aces only)
No surrender
Blackjack pays 2-1
Min bet: $5
Max bet:$5000

P.S. Don't bother with their double deck games. Penetration is horrible and its a waste of time.

Are you sure?

Morango does not advertise 2-1 pay out on blackjack.
Their website does not say anything about it.
CBJN lists the game as a 3/2, with the poor rules you mentioned, a house edge of .66%, with a 2-1 payout and those rules the house would be playing at a DISADVANTAGE of over 1.5%
The people who answer the phone at Morango, do not seem to know anything about a 2-1 payout.

Now I know a Riverside county casino that does have a 2-1 payout but it is on only one day of the week and for about 4 hours. That is a promotion and it can be taken advantage of, perhaps that is what Morango has?

ihate17

Yes. It does pay 2-1 blackjack and it even says on the table and on the pay I get back. I'm not sure if its a promotion, but from the times I go there it pays that much.

P.S. Is that riverside county casino you're talking about called Soboba? If so, how are the table conditions there? Have you been to San Manuel? I'm probably gonna scope that place out soon and let everyone know.

Ok. My mistake BJ pays 3-2. I just figured out it paid 2-1 that week. My lucky times I should say.

Well, thanks for checking, otherwise I would have been driving up there next week.

twinturboguy said:

Thats a bold statement. The house still has its significant edge so I wouldn't necessarily call it a keeper. Keep in mind it is an 8D shoe. With 8 decks, bad flux is prone to happen and with a fixed bankroll, you're hopes for it to compensate is by luck.

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If it is 2:1 not 3:2 you will have the adv. Paying 2:1 is more important than H17 which is only -.22% compared to big adv 2:1 gives you. I never play 8 deck games, but if I came across a 2:1 payout I would play it. I guess it was a promotion so it is gone now anyway.

Soboba

twinturboguy said:

Yes. It does pay 2-1 blackjack and it even says on the table and on the pay I get back. I'm not sure if its a promotion, but from the times I go there it pays that much.

P.S. Is that riverside county casino you're talking about called Soboba? If so, how are the table conditions there? Have you been to San Manuel? I'm probably gonna scope that place out soon and let everyone know.

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I describe the drive to Soboba as first you must go half hour past the middle of nowhere. Next you get lost for 30 minutes and then you will pull up to the front door.
If you like few tables, lots of smoke but a good blackjack game, it might be a good place. The max bets, I think are $500, so they are no used to big action but they do have single deck paying 3/2 (1 table) but generally the table is crowded and the dealers do not deal enough rounds. The single deck game is h-17.
Double deck game is S-17, double only on (I think) 10,11 and no DAS, penetration is generally poor but you might find a dealer that makes it good.
6 Deck shoe, is S-17, DAS, split to 4, No resplit aces, and late surrender and you can get decent penetration.

Pretty good rules overall, but the worst game in the house is the double deck game.

San Manuel: Pretty poor game there. I think it is either a CSM or a 6 deck shoe but the dealer hits soft 17, but the place is a lot prettier than Soboba. Have not gone there in quite a while.

Soboba is probably more a locals casino than any other casino in the southern part of the state. It is still in the old connected giant tent like buildings where it looks like they have just added on over time. They do have a no smoking section in the back with a couple of blackjack tables in case you need to breath sometimes. People who work there seem very nice but some of the players might be frightening, if you are not used to the type.

ihate17

Knew it had to be a promotion

2-1 blackjack is almost always a promotion and a place like Morongo it most likely will show up during a mid week day and at a time where they generally have fewer than normal players. It is an incentive to fill the seats and if you can you should play it because it is a very nice advantage without counting.

Some casinos will limit the bets on a 2-1 promotion. It could be 2-1 on $100 and they let you bet more, but the first hundred gets paid 2-1 and above that you get 3-2, or they just say no bets over X for the promotion period. If they have no limit, I would play the start of each shoe at max or near max bet and adjust downward if the count tanks. If not max betting or even if, a sidecount of aces is helpful.

ihate17

No need to scope anything out. PM me your email addy and I'll send you a list of the best games available in Southern Cali based on current penetration and rules. You won't be playing Morongo any more.

Thanks for all the help guys!

I sent you a PM jimbiggs.

twinturboguy said:

Thats a bold statement. The house still has its significant edge so I wouldn't necessarily call it a keeper. Keep in mind it is an 8D shoe. With 8 decks, bad flux is prone to happen and with a fixed bankroll, you're hopes for it to compensate is by luck.

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if you had a game with the following rules, it would be an advantage for the player..

INFINITE decks
blackjack 2:1
double on 10/11 only
hit 17
split only once
no splitting aces
no double after split

u see now how 2:1 on blackjacks is insanely awsome? and how 6:5 on blackjacks is an embarrassment for the casino?

SilentBob420BMFJ said:

if you had a game with the following rules, it would be an advantage for the player..
u see now how 2:1 on blackjacks is insanely awsome? and how 6:5 on blackjacks is an embarrassment for the casino?

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If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

What would 3-1 BJ's be, if 2-1 BJ's are insanely awesome?

But I see it now, I really do. 2-1 is better than 6-5.

This math stuff is totally cool.

I'm gonna PM WiseFrog to only play the insanely awesome 2-1 BJ games so he can gamble again.

Kasi said:

I'm gonna PM WiseFrog to only play the insanely awesome 2-1 BJ games so he can gamble again.

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as hopeless as i am i better go with the 3-1 BJ games......

i hate 17, I'm not sure I understand this quote. Wouldn't the disadvantage be the house edge of .66%?


Morango does not advertise 2-1 pay out on blackjack.
Their website does not say anything about it.
CBJN lists the game as a 3/2, with the poor rules you mentioned, a house edge of .66%, with a 2-1 payout and those rules the house would be playing at a DISADVANTAGE of over 1.5%

Never mind, just reread your quote and see that your talking about the casinos' disadvantage.

Kasi said:

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

What would 3-1 BJ's be, if 2-1 BJ's are insanely awesome?

But I see it now, I really do. 2-1 is better than 6-5.

This math stuff is totally cool.

I'm gonna PM WiseFrog to only play the insanely awesome 2-1 BJ games so he can gamble again.

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u missed my point.. i wasnt saying that 2:1 is better than 3:2 or 6:5, thats OBVIOUS.. a lot of ppl ask "how much better is 2:1 than 3:2?" well its a lot better.. so much so that its hard to have a house edge on a 2:1 game.. im assuming u were being sarcastic since you seem to hate me for some reason.. i guess some ppl need to boost their self esteem online, and if i must be your punching bag, its ok, let it out..

Also, silent bob manage to resurrect a thread that was a year old. Morongo HAD been offering 2-1 promtions in the olden days.