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bilgplaya

New Member
Hi everybody. I'm new to this forum but the reason I came across it was because I was doing a Google search on the terms "Cipher Blackjack." I couldn't help but notice a few threads and I had to comment. I have some friends that recently invested in some online blackjack thing with a guy who calls himself Cipher. Apparently he was playing blackjack with their money using his software. Things were going great and these guys were getting paid dividends like every month or something like that. They couldn't stop talking about it and they kept telling me how I needed to put my money in. Man am I glad I didn't. I always thought things that sounded too good to be true usually are. Turns out the guy stopped paying dividends and now hasn't even been playing sessions for my friends. The weird thing is they email him all the time and supposedly he gets really defensive and comes up with all these excuses as to why he hasn't been playing. I guess they ask him to verify their account balances and stuff like that and he gets really heated (probably because the money isn't there). They also said they think he made up some bonus at Oasis casino (200k) because they have called Oasis to find out about it and everybody laughs at them. He told them to put all their money together so they could go after some bonus.... I think he was just
trying to keep their money longer. He also is now refusing to pay
them any more dividends because they supposedly breached their "contract" but according to them he wouldn't sign anything to begin with.... leads me to believe he was just paying them with their own money when they were initially receiving dividends (ie Ponzi scam). I don't think this guy is even playing blackjack using the Cipher software. My guess is he is phishing these websites to find other chumps like my friends to invest in his scam. Steer clear of Cipher.
Man am I glad I did. My friends are so miserable dealing with this guy. He seems like a big joke...

And speaking of jokes, last time I checked, going on gambling forums and acting like an a**hole and challenging people isn't the best way to sell your product. Also, Cipher, if you do happen to read this, if you've got so much money to burn then why haven't you paid my friends?
Don't worry, I will definitely make sure to direct them to these threads.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
bilgplaya said:
Hi everybody. I'm new to this forum but the reason I came across it was because I was doing a Google search on the terms "Cipher Blackjack." I couldn't help but notice a few threads and I had to comment. I have some friends that recently invested in some online blackjack thing with a guy who calls himself Cipher. Apparently he was playing blackjack with their money using his software. Things were going great and these guys were getting paid dividends like every month or something like that. They couldn't stop talking about it and they kept telling me how I needed to put my money in. Man am I glad I didn't. I always thought things that sounded too good to be true usually are. Turns out the guy stopped paying dividends and now hasn't even been playing sessions for my friends. The weird thing is they email him all the time and supposedly he gets really defensive and comes up with all these excuses as to why he hasn't been playing. I guess they ask him to verify their account balances and stuff like that and he gets really heated (probably because the money isn't there). They also said they think he made up some bonus at Oasis casino (200k) because they have called Oasis to find out about it and everybody laughs at them. He told them to put all their money together so they could go after some bonus.... I think he was just
trying to keep their money longer. He also is now refusing to pay
them any more dividends because they supposedly breached their "contract" but according to them he wouldn't sign anything to begin with.... leads me to believe he was just paying them with their own money when they were initially receiving dividends (ie Ponzi scam). I don't think this guy is even playing blackjack using the Cipher software. My guess is he is phishing these websites to find other chumps like my friends to invest in his scam. Steer clear of Cipher.
Man am I glad I did. My friends are so miserable dealing with this guy. He seems like a big joke...

And speaking of jokes, last time I checked, going on gambling forums and acting like an a**hole and challenging people isn't the best way to sell your product. Also, Cipher, if you do happen to read this, if you've got so much money to burn then why haven't you paid my friends?
Don't worry, I will definitely make sure to direct them to these threads.
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OH NO, SAY IT AIN'T SO!!
I have a feeling that my remaining posts and links won't last long at CIPHER's forum. zg


"Hello, yes we had a good thing going
until you breached our contract!"
 
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mdlbj

Well-Known Member
Here is his address.

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Sharing personal details is probably a bad precedent to set, no matter the topic.

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This is public information provided by the ownership of said company. Not personal information. When Someone registers a domain name, they have to make the company or registrars name and legal address public.

http://register.com Use the whois tab look up cipherblackjack.com

Besides, this assh*$& is ripping people off. As well as leaving his web site and application open to simple brute force attacks compromising customer account information. In doing this and providing public information, I am essentially providing his miss informed customers of the risks they are taking in MR Ciphers lack of reality.
 
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shadroch

Well-Known Member
Not that I'm defending cypher,but why would anyone put any stock in an unknown poster,who has "friends" who may or may not have had a contract,that may be getting ripped off?Other than the fact that this guy is posting exactly what you want to hear.
I'd like to hear from his friends. If he found his way here,let them.
 
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ScottH

Well-Known Member
shadroch said:
Not that I'm defending cypher,but why would anyone put any stock in an unknown poster,who has "friends" who may or may not have had a contract,that may be getting ripped off?Other than the fact that this guy is posting exactly what you want to hear.
I'd like to hear from his friends. If he found his way here,let them.
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I'm not necessarily believeing that story, although it is probably true. The fact still remains that he is selling a worthless system.

Now I'm not attacking his system because I dislike Cipher or anyone who uses the system. I am attacking the system because it just doesn't work. If Cipher truly believes it works and is trying to make people money, then he is doing nothing wrong. But if he is intentionally selling a scam system, that is not right, especially to all the people trying to make some money for nothing.

The word has to get out to anyone who will listen, the system DOES NOT WORK. I have no financial or personal motivation for saying that, just trying to help...
 
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Preston

Well-Known Member
It just comes down to one way of looking at it...

If YOU had an UNBEATABLE system that mades you A LOT OF MONEY, wouldn't you try to keep it a secret?

I wouldn't need to spend time selling the system because if I am the only one using it, the less likely it is to be detected, and the less likely for there to be counter-measures.
 
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dacium

Well-Known Member
He MUST have ripped alot of people off.

Did anyone see those videos of bodog casino? He had $50k in his account and that was a real money game. I can't believe people would actually be so stupid but oh well.
 
Brutus

Brutus

Well-Known Member
shadroch said:
Not that I'm defending cypher,but why would anyone put any stock in an unknown poster,who has "friends" who may or may not have had a contract,that may be getting ripped off?Other than the fact that this guy is posting exactly what you want to hear.
I'd like to hear from his friends. If he found his way here,let them.
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I agree something fishy about that.
but then again, something fishy about the whole thing!
 
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CIPHER

Member
Hi Guys::laugh:

I received an email from a very close friend of mine in Great Britain this morning advising me of this thread and I thought I'd stop by and check it out. First off, I do hope this thread stays up for a couple days. Secondly, after Bilgplayer has told his story in total I'll respond to every point in kind.

Lastly, I've sent an email to representatives of both the AMIGOS and LUXE groups so as to advise those individuals of the presence of this post in the event they might wish to add something as well.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

Banned
dacium said:
He MUST have ripped alot of people off.

Did anyone see those videos of bodog casino? He had $50k in his account and that was a real money game. I can't believe people would actually be so stupid but oh well.
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Assume all the videos and screen shots are as phony as the rest of his system.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
bilgplaya said:
He also is now refusing to pay
them any more dividends because they supposedly breached their "contract" but according to them he wouldn't sign anything to begin with.... leads me to believe he was just paying them with their own money when they were initially receiving dividends .
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Can you get them to post here? Can they get their principal back? zg
 
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CIPHER

Member
zengrifter said:
Can you get them to post here? Can they get their principal back? zg
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Oh please, Oh please, Oh pretty please can you get them to post here?

Sheesh ZEN!!! You've really bitten down hard on this one haven't you. I think our friend Brian may prove out to be a little bit of a Johnny One Note.

You know it's amazing what you can figure out by just sitting back and watch and listen instead of running one's mouth. Yep, in very short order you come up with all the pieces of the puzzle one needs in order to have a match.

Why it kind of reminds me of my all time favorite saying. "When you got'em by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Have a better one.

Cipher
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
CIPHER said:
Hi Guys::laugh: I received an email from a very close friend of mine in Great Britain this morning advising me of this thread and I thought I'd stop by and check it out. First off, I do hope this thread stays up for a couple days. Secondly, after Bilgplayer has told his story in total I'll respond to every point in kind.
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I don't think Bilgplayer has anything more. Was he referring to the AMIGOS and/or LUXE groups? zg
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
dacium said:
Did anyone see those videos of bodog casino? He had $50k in his account and that was a real money game. I can't believe people would actually be so stupid but oh well.
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What do you mean? What was suspicious about the Bodog video? zg
 
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bilgplaya

New Member
To all interested, I cannot give anymore information as my friends contacted me today and were upset that I took it upon myself to warn you people about Cipher. I should not have even gotten involved.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
bilgplaya said:
To all interested, I cannot give anymore information as my friends contacted me today and were upset that I took it upon myself to warn you people about Cipher. I should not have even gotten involved.
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OK, we're waiting for CIPHER to respond now. zg
 
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CIPHER

Member
bilgplaya said:
To all interested, I cannot give anymore information as my friends contacted me today and were upset that I took it upon myself to warn you people about Cipher. I should not have even gotten involved.
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Literally translated. 1) Cipher knows who I am. 2) I am more than likely going to be introduced to the civil litigation system very soon for numerous counts of Slander and Deformation of character. 3) I'm about to pee my pants.

Have a nice night.

Cipher
 
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