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learning to count
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God Bless them and thier families.
Rob McGarvey
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Amen
muslims celebrate over diaster
Iraqis Call Shuttle Disaster God's Vengeance
Sat Feb 1, 3:23 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Immediate popular reaction in Baghdad on Saturday to the loss of the U.S. space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew -- including the first Israeli in space -- was that it was God's retribution.
We are happy that it broke up," government employee Abdul Jabbar al-Quraishi said.
"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans. They have encroached on our country. God is avenging us," he said.
Iraqis are braced for a possible U.S.-led war to rid their country of any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons it may possess. Iraq denies it has such weapons.
Car mechanic Mohammed Jaber al-Tamini noted Israeli air force Colonel Ilan Ramon was among the dead when the shuttle broke up over the southwestern United States 16 minutes before its scheduled landing.
The 48-year-old Israeli astronaut was a fighter pilot in the Israeli air force. He was the youngest pilot in a team that bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981. Israel said the reactor was intended to develop nuclear weapons.
"Israel launched an aggression on us when it raided our nuclear reactor without any reason, now time has come and God has retaliated to their aggression," Tamini said.
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Iraqis Call Shuttle Disaster God's Vengeance
Sat Feb 1, 3:23 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Immediate popular reaction in Baghdad on Saturday to the loss of the U.S. space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew -- including the first Israeli in space -- was that it was God's retribution.
We are happy that it broke up," government employee Abdul Jabbar al-Quraishi said.
"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans. They have encroached on our country. God is avenging us," he said.
Iraqis are braced for a possible U.S.-led war to rid their country of any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons it may possess. Iraq denies it has such weapons.
Car mechanic Mohammed Jaber al-Tamini noted Israeli air force Colonel Ilan Ramon was among the dead when the shuttle broke up over the southwestern United States 16 minutes before its scheduled landing.
The 48-year-old Israeli astronaut was a fighter pilot in the Israeli air force. He was the youngest pilot in a team that bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981. Israel said the reactor was intended to develop nuclear weapons.
"Israel launched an aggression on us when it raided our nuclear reactor without any reason, now time has come and God has retaliated to their aggression," Tamini said.
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learning to count
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Re: muslims celebrate over diaster
Nah not muslims but a## hole Iraquis. They will see what Gods wrath will really be like when the thousand points of light light up Bahgdad.
Nah not muslims but a## hole Iraquis. They will see what Gods wrath will really be like when the thousand points of light light up Bahgdad.
Re: muslims celebrate over diaster
I knew it would just be a matter of a small time before we heard such stories. Americans never cher at the disaster of others no matter what the relationship. Next I'm sure we will hear about Palestineans in Gaza dancing on their rooftops and handing candy out to their kids in celebration of our tragedy.
I think we will still show our benevolence to common Iraqis in the course of the war despite that story. The effect it will have on Iraqi higher ups and those in power during their war crime prosecutions will be another matter.
I knew it would just be a matter of a small time before we heard such stories. Americans never cher at the disaster of others no matter what the relationship. Next I'm sure we will hear about Palestineans in Gaza dancing on their rooftops and handing candy out to their kids in celebration of our tragedy.
I think we will still show our benevolence to common Iraqis in the course of the war despite that story. The effect it will have on Iraqi higher ups and those in power during their war crime prosecutions will be another matter.
Rob McGarvey
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Hatred
can get a hold on any of us if we let it. The human animal is capable of the most atrocious feelings and actions due to our ability to think beyond what we will need to eat for diner. Most animals only kill to defend themselves or to have something to eat. We can make up our minds not to let hatred form within ourselves. Many people are programed to react the way they do by media, peer pressure, their religion, or political idealisms. We can rise above all of that and get in touch with something beyond all of this. My daughter keeps laughing at her little brother every time he hurts himself. It will take some meaningful chats and a bit of growing up to get her to see why this is not good for her, or anyone else.
can get a hold on any of us if we let it. The human animal is capable of the most atrocious feelings and actions due to our ability to think beyond what we will need to eat for diner. Most animals only kill to defend themselves or to have something to eat. We can make up our minds not to let hatred form within ourselves. Many people are programed to react the way they do by media, peer pressure, their religion, or political idealisms. We can rise above all of that and get in touch with something beyond all of this. My daughter keeps laughing at her little brother every time he hurts himself. It will take some meaningful chats and a bit of growing up to get her to see why this is not good for her, or anyone else.
learning to count
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Re: muslims celebrate over diaster
I agree Eliot but I have personally experienced mass hatred of us Americans in Europe, Africa, and Latin American. I have also been practically been celebrated as a hero for being an American in theses places. By far I am careful when I travel now. Even in England I experienced anti american feelings by a group of english in an elevator going down to the tube platform. I think the most accepting peoples I have met were Australians and Itallions. Right now I would stay out any predominantly Muslim country. AND I MEAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE PREDOMINANTLY ANTI-AMERICAN FEELINGS THERE NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIMS! Well when the sh*t hits the fan we can always go to Vegas for vacation.
I agree Eliot but I have personally experienced mass hatred of us Americans in Europe, Africa, and Latin American. I have also been practically been celebrated as a hero for being an American in theses places. By far I am careful when I travel now. Even in England I experienced anti american feelings by a group of english in an elevator going down to the tube platform. I think the most accepting peoples I have met were Australians and Itallions. Right now I would stay out any predominantly Muslim country. AND I MEAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE PREDOMINANTLY ANTI-AMERICAN FEELINGS THERE NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIMS! Well when the sh*t hits the fan we can always go to Vegas for vacation.
Re: Iraq
>The country is 97% muslim. The religion preaches hatred.
This is false, Islam is a very peaceful religion. Just as there are right-wing gun toting fundamentalist Christians, there are also right-wing gun toting fundamentalist Islamics. They are a very small minority, and do not represent the religion any more than the KKK represents the Methodists.
--Mayor
>The country is 97% muslim. The religion preaches hatred.
This is false, Islam is a very peaceful religion. Just as there are right-wing gun toting fundamentalist Christians, there are also right-wing gun toting fundamentalist Islamics. They are a very small minority, and do not represent the religion any more than the KKK represents the Methodists.
--Mayor
peaceful really?you better read their book
Islamic Terror: The Revised Koran
Posted October 29, 2001
By Debra Emmes
How would an Arab or Muslim feel if the Koran was revised and had the words Jews and Christians removed and in their place the words Arabs and Muslims inserted? Allow me to quote from the Revised Edition of the Koran, which in part would read thusly:
"O believers, make war on the Arabs and Muslims who dwell around you. Let them find firmness in you." (Surah 9, Section 123)
"Fight those Arabs and Muslims who believe not in the God of Jacob even if they be People of the Book until they agree to pay the tribute in recognition of their submissive state." (Surah 9, Section 29)
"You will be called to fight a mighty nation of Arabs and Muslims; fight them until they embrace the God of Jacob." (Surah 48, Section 16)
"Then fight and slay the Arabs and Muslims wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war)." (Surah 9, Section 5)
"Those who believe fight in the cause of the God of Jacob; And those who reject the true faith of the God of Jacob fight in the cause of Evil; So fight ye against the Arabs and Muslims, those Friends of Satan ...." (Surah 4, Section 10, Chapter 76)
"Take not the Arabs and Muslims as friends or protectors." (Surah 5, Section 8, Chapter 51)
"The Arabs and Muslims perverted the things they learned in the Covenant of the God of Jacob." (Surah 3, Section 19, Chapter 187)
"The God of Jacob has turned his face from Arabs and Muslims, and Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists should do the same." (Surah 4, Section 7, Chapter 47)
For the last several weeks I have heard all the Arab and Muslim advocacy groups claim how their constituents are among the best Americans. If that is the case, why then do they say nothing about the Koran's advocacy of violence against Jews and Christians? The fact is some Arab Muslims are "true believers" of Islam, and are following the dictates of their religion. Perhaps now is the time for Islamic clerics in America to stop spreading hatred and calls for war against Jews and Christians. Edit the Koran and make amends with the Jews and Christians.
Islamic Terror: The Revised Koran
Posted October 29, 2001
By Debra Emmes
How would an Arab or Muslim feel if the Koran was revised and had the words Jews and Christians removed and in their place the words Arabs and Muslims inserted? Allow me to quote from the Revised Edition of the Koran, which in part would read thusly:
"O believers, make war on the Arabs and Muslims who dwell around you. Let them find firmness in you." (Surah 9, Section 123)
"Fight those Arabs and Muslims who believe not in the God of Jacob even if they be People of the Book until they agree to pay the tribute in recognition of their submissive state." (Surah 9, Section 29)
"You will be called to fight a mighty nation of Arabs and Muslims; fight them until they embrace the God of Jacob." (Surah 48, Section 16)
"Then fight and slay the Arabs and Muslims wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war)." (Surah 9, Section 5)
"Those who believe fight in the cause of the God of Jacob; And those who reject the true faith of the God of Jacob fight in the cause of Evil; So fight ye against the Arabs and Muslims, those Friends of Satan ...." (Surah 4, Section 10, Chapter 76)
"Take not the Arabs and Muslims as friends or protectors." (Surah 5, Section 8, Chapter 51)
"The Arabs and Muslims perverted the things they learned in the Covenant of the God of Jacob." (Surah 3, Section 19, Chapter 187)
"The God of Jacob has turned his face from Arabs and Muslims, and Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists should do the same." (Surah 4, Section 7, Chapter 47)
For the last several weeks I have heard all the Arab and Muslim advocacy groups claim how their constituents are among the best Americans. If that is the case, why then do they say nothing about the Koran's advocacy of violence against Jews and Christians? The fact is some Arab Muslims are "true believers" of Islam, and are following the dictates of their religion. Perhaps now is the time for Islamic clerics in America to stop spreading hatred and calls for war against Jews and Christians. Edit the Koran and make amends with the Jews and Christians.
Maybe
Maybe a Biblical scholoar (Rob?) could quote the relevant portions of the Bible that are equally as unyielding.
I heard a local Islamic cleric read some of those portions and explain the meaning in practical terms -- interpretation in modern times is the key.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
--Mayor
Maybe a Biblical scholoar (Rob?) could quote the relevant portions of the Bible that are equally as unyielding.
I heard a local Islamic cleric read some of those portions and explain the meaning in practical terms -- interpretation in modern times is the key.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
--Mayor
Rob McGarvey
Well-Known Member
Re: Maybe
Yes, I was writing a response to this earlier and trashed it because I don't want people to think that I am interested in a religious fight of any sort. What I was going to say was that by using text excerpts people will often make God look blood thirsty. He will give you options, and tells you what the consequences are before you decide. We only have one option left to cash in. Don't wait too long. ;>
Point being their are extreme translations which I feel are not guided by the "Good Spirit" of God if you will. They are lies meant to get us fighting.
Yes, I was writing a response to this earlier and trashed it because I don't want people to think that I am interested in a religious fight of any sort. What I was going to say was that by using text excerpts people will often make God look blood thirsty. He will give you options, and tells you what the consequences are before you decide. We only have one option left to cash in. Don't wait too long. ;>
Point being their are extreme translations which I feel are not guided by the "Good Spirit" of God if you will. They are lies meant to get us fighting.
phantom007
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WE NEED IRAQ...Top 10 Reasons.
#10...Military employment security.
#9....Cab drivers.
#8....Motel operators.
#7....Convenience store owners.
#6....Doctors (who cannot speak English).
#5....McDonnel-Douglas employment security.
#4....To keep Gas less than $2.00 a gallon.
#3....Weapons Testing.
#2....Grad Students (so college professors have jobs).
and the #1 Reason:
#1....So that Ugly American Girls can get laid, since Iraqi Grad. Students
marry them, at least long enough to get a Green Card.
phantom007
#10...Military employment security.
#9....Cab drivers.
#8....Motel operators.
#7....Convenience store owners.
#6....Doctors (who cannot speak English).
#5....McDonnel-Douglas employment security.
#4....To keep Gas less than $2.00 a gallon.
#3....Weapons Testing.
#2....Grad Students (so college professors have jobs).
and the #1 Reason:
#1....So that Ugly American Girls can get laid, since Iraqi Grad. Students
marry them, at least long enough to get a Green Card.
phantom007
Rob McGarvey
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Re: WE NEED PROOF
Looks like they have you surrounded bub! grin I hope that Powell can convince everyone that they do have WOMD. Right now it looks like GBush is an LAPD officer on a Rodney King hunt. What do you think of Nelly Mandelly's take on this sit? On the weekend every US channel beemed across the border had a war movie on druming up the troops and families. I read about the new weapons that will be used which are said to be 10 times more powerful and accurate than D Storm. Wonder if he will set the oil fields on fire again? Or actually get to use his WOMD.
One thing from a military stand point, you have to start taking the enemy right out, not just doing a fantastic landscaping job. Sadam should have been taken out last time. Take the weed out by the roots. Patton, MacArthur, etc, etc....
And we have to find something other than fossil fuels to drive to that local variety store to try and speak with the guy you think is Iraqi, but really is a very docile man from India.
Looks like they have you surrounded bub! grin I hope that Powell can convince everyone that they do have WOMD. Right now it looks like GBush is an LAPD officer on a Rodney King hunt. What do you think of Nelly Mandelly's take on this sit? On the weekend every US channel beemed across the border had a war movie on druming up the troops and families. I read about the new weapons that will be used which are said to be 10 times more powerful and accurate than D Storm. Wonder if he will set the oil fields on fire again? Or actually get to use his WOMD.
One thing from a military stand point, you have to start taking the enemy right out, not just doing a fantastic landscaping job. Sadam should have been taken out last time. Take the weed out by the roots. Patton, MacArthur, etc, etc....
And we have to find something other than fossil fuels to drive to that local variety store to try and speak with the guy you think is Iraqi, but really is a very docile man from India.
phantom007
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Re: WE NEED PROOF
I actually agree with you on most every point, except the "docile India" stuff. I was trying to be entertaining, at least to myself. Who is "Nelly Mandelly"?
My gripe/prejudice against foreigners, and ESPECIALLY those from India, is that, in my own GREED for power, prestige, and wealth, I borrowed close to 7 figures, in order to expand my medical practice, in order for 6 "Towel-heads" to be able to stay in the USA, and with the PROMISE that they would stay with me for the Long Term.
When they got their Green Cards, they left my Rural area for the High-Paying jobs. And Left me with the DEBT!
Therefore, now:
-I have no medical practice.
-I work for a hospital, clocking in and out in Blue Collar style.
-I pay $198. per year for having the privilege of having a Master-
Card with a $350. limit (poor EV IMHO).
-I am in good company...Donald Trump, Wayne Newton, and Texaco, all
seem to be doing well, after their Bankruptcy. Maybe I will too!
Yes, I am prejudiced!
I know I should not be, but I am!
And in studying for my upcoming LV trip, I am confused. BS tells us that 16 always Hits vs. Dealer 10......in reviewing my Indicies Chart, it says "0"...do I take this to mean that at +1, you stand against Dealer 10?
Thanks. I feel much better now. And I got the subject BACK to BJ!
phantom007
I actually agree with you on most every point, except the "docile India" stuff. I was trying to be entertaining, at least to myself. Who is "Nelly Mandelly"?
My gripe/prejudice against foreigners, and ESPECIALLY those from India, is that, in my own GREED for power, prestige, and wealth, I borrowed close to 7 figures, in order to expand my medical practice, in order for 6 "Towel-heads" to be able to stay in the USA, and with the PROMISE that they would stay with me for the Long Term.
When they got their Green Cards, they left my Rural area for the High-Paying jobs. And Left me with the DEBT!
Therefore, now:
-I have no medical practice.
-I work for a hospital, clocking in and out in Blue Collar style.
-I pay $198. per year for having the privilege of having a Master-
Card with a $350. limit (poor EV IMHO).
-I am in good company...Donald Trump, Wayne Newton, and Texaco, all
seem to be doing well, after their Bankruptcy. Maybe I will too!
Yes, I am prejudiced!
I know I should not be, but I am!
And in studying for my upcoming LV trip, I am confused. BS tells us that 16 always Hits vs. Dealer 10......in reviewing my Indicies Chart, it says "0"...do I take this to mean that at +1, you stand against Dealer 10?
Thanks. I feel much better now. And I got the subject BACK to BJ!
phantom007