4 deck game optimal system/ betting spread?

[bryan]

I was reading on Bj21.com in the blackjack school section that 4 deck games require at betting spread of 1 to 12, while 6 deck games require only 1-8.
Why is this? It would seem that the 4 deck game should require the smaller spread.
The rules of the game that I play are as follows: Early surrender (except vs. ace), DA2, DAS, H17, 4 decks.
The allowed betting range is $5-$100
But I also play at a table where it is $5-$50

Currently I use wong halves and I bet as follows TC bet

- or 0 $5

+1 $10

2 $20

3 $30

4 $40

5 $50

6 $60

Is this a favorable game? Am I using an appropriate betting strategy?

THanx

 

[SammyBoy]

What's The Penetration?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Not a bad game...

Except for the H17. This sounds like a local game somewhere between the Rockies and the Missississpi, and 4 deck is a good deal because you get the cards dealt face up and you don't have the long waits and other disadvantages of 6D or 8D.

A 1-12 spread is good on any game, it is not true that you need a larger spread with a lower number of decks. The only reason you'd want to lower your spread is to keep yourself from being booted out of the casino. You can use the same strategy and spread with any shoe game, 4D to 8D, only changes you'll have to make are for H17/S17. and DAS/no DAS. DD requires some subtle changes, and SD is a very different kind of game. Halves is a very strong system for shoe games, you might want to consider waiting for TC=+2 before raising your bet at all, but other than that it sounds like you're doing everything right. (Not that I'm an expert or anything.)

 

[john]

Here is a spread for Hi-Lo

Here is an optimal 1-12 spread spit out from CVCX. This spread is designed to optimize bankroll growth. You can see how it is and maybe translate it to Halves if you don't have software to do so.
Basically, CVCX says to get the money out as quickly as possible at +2 TC. What true count that is for Halves I don't know.

TC

0....1 unit
1....2 units
2....6 units
3....9 units
4....12 units

To me, this is different than your spread, but it seems to me your spread would work but may not make as much as one that is generated from a software program.

 

[john]

1 - 12 spread Halves from CVCX

Hey. I put your game into CVCX. The only difference was that I used late surrender instead of early since it wasn't available.

The optimal spread it kicked out for a 4 deck H17 game like yours with 70 % pen was this:

TC

0....1 unit
1....2 units
2....4 units
3....8 units
4....10 units
5....12 units

Very similar to yours actually.

 

[DeadMoney]

Early Surrender

This should be correct. He meant late surrender. Early surrender is against an Ace prior to checking the hole card. Early surrender doesn't exist anywhere and that is why it is not on your software. Late surrender is your first 2 cards against anything other than a Natural and can be found on some shoes games.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

CVData supports ESR

Although it doesn't exist in any organized game in North America anymore, according to CBJN. I hear it is found in some overseas casinos and will occasionally turn up in a private game.

Only got to play it once, I was at a table where the BJ-checking device wasn't working, so the dealer was not checking and only collecting original bets if he had a BJ. But he was honoring surrenders on the spot. He did this for about an hour before a PC came over and corrected him. Pretty cool, no?