A BJ game with built in player edge

[chessplayer]

Hello,

I have found a place with a player edge game!

The rules are CSM, 5 decks, D9,10,11, NRSA, ES 10 and 9 but not ACES, DAS. Split maximum twice.

This gives them an edge of about 0.4.

However, they have a rolling system where every $100 you roll they give you $1 cash back.

This 1% tilts the game back into your favour I think.

Wow.

However, I once reached $2000 and the min bet was merely $10.

And strangely I lost it all.

 

[Mr. T]

There is something in your posting that is not quite right.
First of all I don't think this ENHC game is in Macau or Singapore. My quess is it is in some third world Asian country.
The casino in an unregulated venue may be playing with a short deck so your HE would be of the mark.
The other thing is the give back is 0.50% and not 1% as you say. For simplicity let us say there is no HE. So if you play 20 hands you will win 10 hands and lose 10 hands. At $10 a hand your rolling when you lose would earn nothing. But you when you win the bet you earn a total of $1. So the giveback is $1 in $200 that you bet i.e. 0.50%
Rolling chip is a very high roller play through a junket so I don't know where you get $10 minimum bet. It is most common in Macau for Baccaret. The HE is only 1.04 to 1.26% and the junket will give the high roller a rebate like you said.
The casino and the junket split the remaining HE or winning. The casino privide the inhouse Comps and the junket is respondible for collecting the debt. All such play is always on credit by the junket. Never heard of cash play here.
With the small slice of margin all around, you can imagine it has to be made up by the volume. So $100,000 a bet is not uncommon in Baccaret. Macau gambing is booming now unlike Las Vegas.

 

[chessplayer]

However it is! I have done it, quite a few times in fact (I kept rolling till I got back about $25 cash back)and I am not a high rolloer.

The cash back is 1%, not 0.5. You first change into rolling CHIPS, THEN you bet and you get the cash when you change into rolling, not when you collect your winnings.

So, say you have $100. You change into rolling and they give you NN $100 plus $1 cash immediately. Say if the HE is 0, You place $50 on a losing hand, $50 on winning . You get back 100.

There is something in your posting that is not quite right.
First of all I don't think this ENHC game is in Macau or Singapore. My quess is it is in some third world Asian country.
The casino in an unregulated venue may be playing with a short deck so your HE would be of the mark.
The other thing is the give back is 0.50% and not 1% as you say. For simplicity let us say there is no HE. So if you play 20 hands you will win 10 hands and lose 10 hands. At $10 a hand your rolling when you lose would earn nothing. But you when you win the bet you earn a total of $1. So the giveback is $1 in $200 that you bet i.e. 0.50%
Rolling chip is a very high roller play through a junket so I don't know where you get $10 minimum bet. It is most common in Macau for Baccaret. The HE is only 1.04 to 1.26% and the junket will give the high roller a rebate like you said.
The casino and the junket split the remaining HE or winning. The casino privide the inhouse Comps and the junket is respondible for collecting the debt. All such play is always on credit by the junket. Never heard of cash play here.
With the small slice of margin all around, you can imagine it has to be made up by the volume. So $100,000 a bet is not uncommon in Baccaret. Macau gambing is booming now unlike Las Vegas.

 

[chessplayer]

Hmm.. I know now. You get back 100, but it is 50 in NN, 50 cash. I wonder if this means the rolling gives back 1%, 0.75 or 0.5%

 

[sabre]

Here's the problem. Each NN chip needs to be wagered on average twice in order to be lost. Therefore, in order to lose $100 in NN chips, you are placing an average of $200 in wagers. So you're exposing yourself to the house edge twice as much.

So if you give me $100 NN and $1 cash for $100 cash and force me to play a game with a .4% HE, then my expected loss from play will be

$100 * 2 * .04 = $.80 loss

You get $1 back.

So you've netted a profit of $.20 for wagering $200.

This gives you an effective player edge of only .1%