A First Time for Everything...

Hinoon

Well-Known Member
Here's my trip report for my first experience as a (semi) AP player:

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So, after months of study, I bit the bullet. I packed up my bags and headed out to Vegas to put these new skills to the test. Here's my account of my first time, and I'm sticking to it:

My bankroll is far from sufficient. Enough to allow me to spread to a max bet of 2 hands of 2 units. But it's enough to put me into the game, if only for a few days.

The first night I'm there, I watch in amazement, back-counting and testing myself to just see that I can do it. I'm staying at an upscale resort, thanks to the generosity of a friend, and am prohibited from laying down bets, merely by the table minimums.

My friend, proficient in AP, plays through and to my surprise, I do pretty well at following the RC, and understanding when he spreads his bets. Later in the evening, I watch as the count shoots up into double digits...and am frustrated when my friend's bets don't change...until I notice the burly fellow behind the dealer, dressed in a slate gray Italian suit. I realize that as much attention is needed to environment as is needed to the cards if I want to really stay in this game.

Keeping the TC is another issue. I can estimate it, but not fast enough. A mental note to add a new element to my training when I get home. This problem is partially solved by sticking to double-deck. The face-up action in the shoe games is easy to follow, but I find that the face-down action of double deck is even easier. Without the face-up cards, I don't have the urge to check and recheck my count. I have one shot and I'd better get it right.

The next day, it's time to put up or shut up. I try my hand at wonging into some positive counts. There are now three mentors watching my play, and my nerves are on edge. Coffee? Eff that. I have adrenaline on my side. After a few initial stumbles...I'm actually playing with reasonable proficiency.

Over the course of the day, I learn a LOT. And one thing I learn is humility. I'm up by a handful of units, but this has more to do with providence than my abilities. Sure, I'm playing smarter than a ploppy, but I'm not as good as I should be. My BS is weak. In all of my efforts to increase my counting speed, I slacked off on my Basic Strategy, and it shows. I balk at A7's.

By the end of the night, I've been to five casinos, and am awash with new sensations. I am up a considerable amount by this stage. My friends ask deliberate questions to keep me on track...am I trying to make as much money as possible? Or am I trying to play correctly? How does the win affect my attitude? Am I going to quit, now that I am ahead?

The next morning, I can't get my eyes open fully. Even a steak and egg breakfast can't quite bring me up to steam...but I forge ahead.

The night before, I'd watched the casino behave in a terrible manner. A drunk ploppy was betting 10K at a time, spread 2x $5K. He lost 60K in 2 minutes. He didn't know or care. Then, his luck turned, and in 20 minutes, he'd cleared the casino's rack. Twice. He wasn't counting, or, if he was, he wasn't using any count I'd ever seen. He was hitting hard 18's. Any responsible casino should have seen his play as unacceptable, and comped him a room and some coffee.

The fact that he won isn't relevant...He was barely able to stand. I'm all for fair play...if the guy has cash to blow, then more power to the Casinos for providing a hospitable atmosphere for him to blow it in. But I'm also all for the Casinos stepping to the plate and behaving responsibly. A bar that won't let a drunk patron drive home is acknowledging that the service they provide can end up hurting the consumer. A Casino should have the same standards. Just my personal rant.

So, two days in and I'm up fairly big. My BR has gained by a third. I haven't had a bad streak yet, and I know this is the worst possible thing for a new player. How can you NOT feel invincible? My friends aren't faring so well, and I feel guilty for the luck that is handing me blackjacks in counts so negative that by all rights, the only hands that should be coming out should be pairs of 2's followed by more pairs of 2's.

Day three hits and my body is numb from the rush of adrenaline. I'm pretty sure my brain is tapped out. My eyes are glazed over. I'm drinking Red Bulls now, ignoring their vitamin-laced flavor.

My friend hits the best damn BJ I've ever seen. The dealer pays him full odds...for two A's, no ten in sight. I think that everyone in Vegas needs a nap.

I watch a team in a downtown casino. They're good. They have great cover....they're wasted. They could blend in perfectly at an Appalachian family reunion, neck tattoos and all. The fellow that catches my attention isn't masking his spread at all. He's not getting much heat, even though he's spreading $5 to 2x$50 at the drop of a hat. He has 10K in front of him. When I come back from breakfast, his teammates are gone, and his BR is down to its last leg. He orders a final Crown and Coke, and bleeds himself dry. Even good players have bad days.

And then I start to lose. Part of this is my fault directly. My friends can barely contain themselves as I absent-mindedly split 4's against a 2. Fatigue has taken its toll, and my weak BS foundation has started to crumble. My companions are losing too though, and it has little to do with their ability. They're playing right, and the dealers keep pulling 6 card 21's. Welcome to Variance, Nevada...population 4.

I call it quits for the day. I know I'm too tired to play well. This is a good lesson to learn the hard way.

The next day, I wake up and catch my flight home, glad to have a weekend to recover before I stagger into my normal office life...

I've had an incredible experience. I've had the good fortune to learn and study under three people whose character and skills exceed my abilities to express admiration. I've experienced a slight taste of variance. I've seen Vegas through new eyes.

And now I have a goal. I have a new appreciation for how much I need to study the foundations. I have a great respect for those of you who have been doing this for an extended period of time. I'm going to practice, study, and learn...and I will return.

End result = +10 units and a WHOLE lot of data to process.

-- HiNoon
 

Tito

Member
Hi Hi Hi noon, thanks for that brings back memories every one remembers their fist time when you say to yourself it really works and it works for me!Hope your next trips will be successfull.Good luck to you enjoy.Tito.
 
Great trip report- a couple of questions: Where you playing mostly 2 deck? Any 6 deck? What count where you using? What was your trip BR?

I also had a great 1st time as an AP (up 4K), your observations as far as the mental highs and lows are the same as what I experienced.... sounds like the other APs with you were able to keep that in check.

FLA Player
 

Hinoon

Well-Known Member
Hi,

I played mostly 2 deck, but I did wong into 6 deck shoes with some success.

I was using Hi/Low. I've been told by a few people to stick with Hi/Low for my first 200 hours of table time. I think that makes sense. I've read about and considered other counts, but I'm so new to this, Hi/Low is the best foundation I can have.

My bankroll, like I said, was pretty insufficient for serious play. I walked in with a staggering 120 units at my disposal. But I was also willing to accept the greater risk of ruin in return for the experience. I have a replenishable BR...I do freelance work that is dedicated to bolstering my BR. So while it would have sucked had I lost it all...it would have merely been a lesson, not the end of my "career".

This trip was a "testing the waters" kind of trip. What I've found is that the appropriate sized BR is indeed neccessary if this is to be a long term thing. As is properly adjusting your bet limits in accordance to your BR. I've also found that NOTHING can replace a solid, flawless knowledge of Basic Strategy.

back to the books.

--Hinoon
 

Feepness

New Member
Ironically, advice from a newer counter may be better than an old-hand. I've got 125 logged hours under my belt which is a goodly amount, but nothing to the BJ gods of course. I'm up 130 units though so I can't complain. My win rate is improving steadily as well.

I started getting into counting about 9 months ago and taking trips six months ago.

I wouldn't worry about your basic strategy. Now, that doesn't mean I wouldn't CARE about your BS. Just don't worry about it. Pretty soon the tables start to get embedded. I can picture them right now. And that A7 row is one of the most annoying, in fact probably the worst. I didn't have my BS down either when I started. But believe me, when you can't remember what to do on a hand it sticks in your mind. Consult your books before/after and they will sink in and sink hard. Pretty soon each row starts to get it's own personality in your mind and you can recreate them at will. One by one each row will start to get "easy" and then the whole thing will be down pat. Next you'll start to be able to see the strategy changes as well because they get embedded as the few "differences" to what you know.

The harder thing is dealing with the variance. I have been -80 units and +210 units. My problem is placing the large bets. Getting easier though, last time I played I lost two 10 unit bets and was still up 25 units at session end. I also have difficulty acting normal while counting though I haven't gotten any backoffs (been half-shoed though -- ran like a bunny).

Feep
 

suicyco maniac

Well-Known Member
A Question

If it is true you saw a team of counters downtown is it really a good idea to give specific details about how they looked? However if they were really slamming down the booze then they do not have the self control to play and win at this game so it might be a moot point.
 
Congratulations on getting your feet in the wonderful world of AP. You might want to consider using a readily avaiable blackjack software program to hone your card counting skills. Several that I can recommend are Blackjack Counter and Blackjack Mentor (free downloads on www.handheldblackjack.com), Blackjack 678 version 2003(www.stickysoft.com), and the new Casino Vertie Blackjack Lite (www.qfit.com). They are all priced under $50 and well worth it to help develop your card counting skills. No matter what you do, pay attention to ROR because this has been the downfall of most wanna-be card counters.

Regards,
Henry Tamburin
www.bjinsider.com
 

Hinoon

Well-Known Member
Re: A Question

This is a question that was very present in my mind while writing the report. The details I chose to include added color to the description, but really don't serve to identify anyone specifically (since neck tattoos are as common in downtown LV as flip-flops on the beach, I figured that wasn't a particularly revealing detail.).

Their style of play was certainly far more dangerous to their longevity than anything I posted, but I wouldn't want to inadvertently cause a fellow AP player undue heat.

I do appreciate the concern and the reasoning behind your question. Please rest assured that the details I included were carefully thought-out rather than simply plucked from memory and reported directly.
 
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