Who are all those ploppies?
Here is your answer:
http://www.harrahs.com/about_us/survey/030948_Survey.pdf (Archive copy)
Here is your answer:
http://www.harrahs.com/about_us/survey/030948_Survey.pdf (Archive copy)
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learning to count
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The following excerpts are from the Harrahs survey on Gamblng per the Mayor.
""...There is fun for the taking at America's casinos. That's what our business is all about.""
""...We focus on the fun because that's what we sell,""
""... many of our core beliefs-that gaming
enthusiasts are active, financially stable and civic-minded members of the community.""
""...Giving millions of Americans an opportunity to enjoy themselves at our casinos on that long-anticipated and
well-earned vacation, or that special night out on the town, is what's most rewarding about our business."" (The reward is stealing the money by offering obviously bad/rigged games)
Gary Loveman
President and Chief Executive Officer
Harrah's Entertainment, Inc.
http://www.harrahs.com/about_us/survey/030948_Survey.pdf (Archive copy)
Wow so I guess a ploppy is someone who plays blackjack for entertainment value. If he loses the mortgage payment it's all right just so he is "financially "stable".
The Casino is providing a lie here. The lie is that people get something ("fun") from gambling. But they must pay for it dearly. People gamble for one reason. Luck and greed:The belief that they will get lucky and win. The casinos know this and have games that are geared to take. No one if they knew the truth would gamble on a sure loser. This is why advantage players who "LEGALLY" win are challenged,harrassed,kick out,brutalized, falsely charged and arrested and human rights violated. The casino will not allow anyone to win! I am surprised that good games still exist. This is what seperates a degenerate gambler from an advantage player.
""...There is fun for the taking at America's casinos. That's what our business is all about.""
""...We focus on the fun because that's what we sell,""
""... many of our core beliefs-that gaming
enthusiasts are active, financially stable and civic-minded members of the community.""
""...Giving millions of Americans an opportunity to enjoy themselves at our casinos on that long-anticipated and
well-earned vacation, or that special night out on the town, is what's most rewarding about our business."" (The reward is stealing the money by offering obviously bad/rigged games)
Gary Loveman
President and Chief Executive Officer
Harrah's Entertainment, Inc.
http://www.harrahs.com/about_us/survey/030948_Survey.pdf (Archive copy)
Wow so I guess a ploppy is someone who plays blackjack for entertainment value. If he loses the mortgage payment it's all right just so he is "financially "stable".
The Casino is providing a lie here. The lie is that people get something ("fun") from gambling. But they must pay for it dearly. People gamble for one reason. Luck and greed:The belief that they will get lucky and win. The casinos know this and have games that are geared to take. No one if they knew the truth would gamble on a sure loser. This is why advantage players who "LEGALLY" win are challenged,harrassed,kick out,brutalized, falsely charged and arrested and human rights violated. The casino will not allow anyone to win! I am surprised that good games still exist. This is what seperates a degenerate gambler from an advantage player.
Big Cowboy
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Re: You mean casinos lie?
I'm still looking through this Harrah's survey, but what I've seen cracks me up and makes me shake my head at the same time. I liked the question on whether gamblers/non-gamblers eat a healthy diet. I thought in Vegas everyone eats at the non-healthy buffet. And from my last trip there, it sure looked like most people there did not eat a healthy diet, ie they were fat and smoked like chimneys.
I'm also waiting to see if this question comes up: would you be happy if you lost $300 in 15 minutes gambling. Or would you be pissed at Harrah's if you lost $300 there?
I'm still looking through this Harrah's survey, but what I've seen cracks me up and makes me shake my head at the same time. I liked the question on whether gamblers/non-gamblers eat a healthy diet. I thought in Vegas everyone eats at the non-healthy buffet. And from my last trip there, it sure looked like most people there did not eat a healthy diet, ie they were fat and smoked like chimneys.
I'm also waiting to see if this question comes up: would you be happy if you lost $300 in 15 minutes gambling. Or would you be pissed at Harrah's if you lost $300 there?
learning to count
Well-Known Member
Re: You mean casinos lie?
Nah they believe thier own bullsh!t. When the mob first ran Vegas they knew what was going on they were taking the suckers money. Today the bean counters really believ what theyare doing is legit! They are providing a lie and the suckers are sucking at the lying tite.
Nah they believe thier own bullsh!t. When the mob first ran Vegas they knew what was going on they were taking the suckers money. Today the bean counters really believ what theyare doing is legit! They are providing a lie and the suckers are sucking at the lying tite.
Why this survey is garbage
We all know that casinos sell deception. Its the only place in the world where you can go and the price isn't makred. IMHO the casino should be requiretd to post the houst advantaga and expected loss on each and every game. But we know that wont happen. I have seen brochures for video poker that say "there are as many strategies as there are people." They should never be able to publish that, as there is just one strategy for most VP games.
But this survey is trash for a much worse reason. If you look at their comparison of gamblers/non-gamblers, it is implied that somehow these difference between the two groups are because of some enlightened mentality of gamblers. But lets look more closely.
The only useful thing in the entire profile is that gamblers have enough money to gamble! What a shock! Poor people don't gamble, or at least not a lot of them.
So why do gamblers have less debt than non-gamblers? In general, if you have enough extra money to gamble it away, you probably have enough to pay off your credit card. (I would HOPE that you pay off your credit card first before doing the ploppy thing.) You can continue to go down the list and conclude that all of the differences between the two groups can be attributed to the expense of gambling and the financial requirements.
I could republish this survey replacing gamber and non-gambler with yacht-owner and non-yacht-owner and it would still be accurate. In fact you could replace gambling in this report with any expensive recreational activity that requirets a lot of disposable income.
So the net result of the survery is: people with more money tend to be financially better-off; some of them gamble.
Okay lets move along.
We all know that casinos sell deception. Its the only place in the world where you can go and the price isn't makred. IMHO the casino should be requiretd to post the houst advantaga and expected loss on each and every game. But we know that wont happen. I have seen brochures for video poker that say "there are as many strategies as there are people." They should never be able to publish that, as there is just one strategy for most VP games.
But this survey is trash for a much worse reason. If you look at their comparison of gamblers/non-gamblers, it is implied that somehow these difference between the two groups are because of some enlightened mentality of gamblers. But lets look more closely.
The only useful thing in the entire profile is that gamblers have enough money to gamble! What a shock! Poor people don't gamble, or at least not a lot of them.
So why do gamblers have less debt than non-gamblers? In general, if you have enough extra money to gamble it away, you probably have enough to pay off your credit card. (I would HOPE that you pay off your credit card first before doing the ploppy thing.) You can continue to go down the list and conclude that all of the differences between the two groups can be attributed to the expense of gambling and the financial requirements.
I could republish this survey replacing gamber and non-gambler with yacht-owner and non-yacht-owner and it would still be accurate. In fact you could replace gambling in this report with any expensive recreational activity that requirets a lot of disposable income.
So the net result of the survery is: people with more money tend to be financially better-off; some of them gamble.
Okay lets move along.
Alexander Mundy
Member
I didn't read the survey, but....
did they mention all the pawn shops that open up around casinos to help the financially stable people have fun. I was driving around Carson City the other day and noticed a 2nd pawn shop was opening up next to a little slots only joint.
did they mention all the pawn shops that open up around casinos to help the financially stable people have fun. I was driving around Carson City the other day and noticed a 2nd pawn shop was opening up next to a little slots only joint.
learning to count
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What the survey really says is that the common man is a sucker and he is dumb enough to accept the sin of gambling as entertainment. Gambling is a sin as is any obsession that leads to personal destruction. The Casinos dont care about whether you pay the Mortgage or not; just so they have their shot at your bank roll first. This is GREED. Greed breeds corruption as we have seen in the recent false arrests and beatings of advantage players.
One way to fight back is to boycott the casinos.This will never happen because all the suckers don't care about winning. They just want to get mentally masturbated. The other way is to learn the skills that allow for LEGAL advantage play. Become deadly at this and take the casinos money. Im basically a conservative but when it comes to the evil corporation syndrome the casino industry fits the mold. Its funny how all the super liberal celebrities embrace the casino industry but complain about the evil corporations. So I guess I will learn my trade a little more every day.
Any casino people out there wanna comment??? I know your out there. Open debate is what made this country great.
One way to fight back is to boycott the casinos.This will never happen because all the suckers don't care about winning. They just want to get mentally masturbated. The other way is to learn the skills that allow for LEGAL advantage play. Become deadly at this and take the casinos money. Im basically a conservative but when it comes to the evil corporation syndrome the casino industry fits the mold. Its funny how all the super liberal celebrities embrace the casino industry but complain about the evil corporations. So I guess I will learn my trade a little more every day.
Any casino people out there wanna comment??? I know your out there. Open debate is what made this country great.
I agree that the casinos are evil and take people's money by selling them false hopes. But how are they different than other big corporations?
How are they different than the "nutrition" companies who try to convince people that if they take some "dietary supplement" they'll have a body like Kelly Ripka? We all know thats not true.
Or how about the music companies that market Britney to teenagers while musicians with talent can't sell enough CDs to pay the rent?
Or how about professional sports teams who will take $50 for a ticket to watch guys who mak millions of dollars a year play... or another $100 for a $5 basketball jersey that says "Iverson" on it? People who can't afford to feed their families come out for the games and "tailgate parties" every week, and the news media romanticizes it!
In the end we have a society of people who are more than happy to turn over their hard-earned money to evil corporations in exchange for a little recreation and some false-hopes! In that sense, the casinos are more honest!
If you play the million dollar slot machine you really could become a millionaire. You can take diet supplements all day and you wont have an athlete's body. And it doesn't matter how many Nike sneakers you own, if you are 160cm you aren't going to be a pro basketball player.
I don't like the casinos, in general. But I don't think they are worse than any other company.
In fairness to the casinos, skilled table game play doesn't cost that much.
If you play $5 blackjack at a full table for one hour the EV is about -$2.20 per hour (assuming AC rules and 100 hands per hour). If you get two drinks during this time and then comped for the buffet, its really not such expensive entertainment. I do think that there are people who think this way and there is nothing wrong with it.
Of course there are also the people who believe the lies and these are probably the majority of the customers.
Again my biggest complaint with casinos is that the price isn't marked. If they had to list the house advantage of each bet x the minimum bet = cost/bet for each game and, for games where strategy comes into play, give each player a copy of the correct strategy, I don't know that I'd have any objections to casinos.
Ed
How are they different than the "nutrition" companies who try to convince people that if they take some "dietary supplement" they'll have a body like Kelly Ripka? We all know thats not true.
Or how about the music companies that market Britney to teenagers while musicians with talent can't sell enough CDs to pay the rent?
Or how about professional sports teams who will take $50 for a ticket to watch guys who mak millions of dollars a year play... or another $100 for a $5 basketball jersey that says "Iverson" on it? People who can't afford to feed their families come out for the games and "tailgate parties" every week, and the news media romanticizes it!
In the end we have a society of people who are more than happy to turn over their hard-earned money to evil corporations in exchange for a little recreation and some false-hopes! In that sense, the casinos are more honest!
If you play the million dollar slot machine you really could become a millionaire. You can take diet supplements all day and you wont have an athlete's body. And it doesn't matter how many Nike sneakers you own, if you are 160cm you aren't going to be a pro basketball player.
I don't like the casinos, in general. But I don't think they are worse than any other company.
In fairness to the casinos, skilled table game play doesn't cost that much.
If you play $5 blackjack at a full table for one hour the EV is about -$2.20 per hour (assuming AC rules and 100 hands per hour). If you get two drinks during this time and then comped for the buffet, its really not such expensive entertainment. I do think that there are people who think this way and there is nothing wrong with it.
Of course there are also the people who believe the lies and these are probably the majority of the customers.
Again my biggest complaint with casinos is that the price isn't marked. If they had to list the house advantage of each bet x the minimum bet = cost/bet for each game and, for games where strategy comes into play, give each player a copy of the correct strategy, I don't know that I'd have any objections to casinos.
Ed
learning to count
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Hey Ed I am not counting kellogs corn flakes. The casino's are violating human rights by the harassment of skilled players. Thats why! Your arguments about the evil international corporate world domination well thats up for debate. I'm talking about the illegal tactics used against skilled players. The casinos are offering a game and we can beat it. What gives them the right to stop us! Hey they are the ones gambling not us. Their behavior shows that no matter what, no one should be allowed to beat them. Thats not what the law says in Nevada. These are games of chance and if the player wins thats it. They have to pay up and shut up!
FLA Player
Member
Well said LTC.... I intend on taking A LOT of the evil empire's cash this weekend!
FLA Player
FLA Player
learning to count
Well-Known Member
I know you will. Just dont get married!!!!!
FLA Player
Member
If I end up married I'll take you, the Mayor, and Ploppy Jim to Charlie Palmer's at the Four seasons my next Vegas trip- do you want to give me odds?
FLA Player
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learning to count
Well-Known Member
Hmmmm first let me see the babe if she is a hottie then yea I'll give you odds! Just dont get drunk and walk into the little white chaple its happened to a lot smarter card counters!
Stealth Bomber
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LTC, I really liked what you said. I'd also like to know more about the law in Nevada. Please tell me where to look, if you know . I want a copy of it. To refresh your memory, you said:
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"Thats not what the law says in Nevada. These are games of chance and if the player wins thats it. They have to pay up and shut up!"
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Thanks,
Stealth
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"Thats not what the law says in Nevada. These are games of chance and if the player wins thats it. They have to pay up and shut up!"
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Thanks,
Stealth
learning to count
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Stealth it is rare when I am challenged over my knowledge about the law. I suggest you go to a legal library in Las vegas when you are there and look up the law. It is a matter of common sense that the casino must pay a legitimae win. There are laws that allow the casino to not pay if the win was under sometype of MECAHNICAL/computer failure of a slot machine. So please don't challenge me on exact statutes I dont have time. By the way you seem to be fairly knowledgeable about the game since most of your posts are thought provoking. See you at the tables.
Stealth Bomber
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Thanks LTC for the info. I have a current legal challenge. I thought your knowledge might be helpful. I'll do the research when I go the the Law Library. Wasn't really challenging you. Just trying to get some info on the issue.
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Also, like to get your opinion on my post above. Look up top. Can't remember the original name of the post. Just look up top.
Stealth
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Also, like to get your opinion on my post above. Look up top. Can't remember the original name of the post. Just look up top.
Stealth