A view on indices

[Dopple]

Not to put down others views but I think accuracy in index moves is pretty important if you can build it up. I think you loose a little on accuracy just by not being able to estimate the decks played real accurate. The closer you can nail the index departure number the better off you are I think and it all adds up.

I have just been looking at some departures that I rarely use but once I cement them good in my brain I can break them out and to make a bold move with a black on the board is a good feeling for example:

Doubling the A8 and A9 vs 2-6 and even 7 or A7 vs 8.
Doubling 7 vs 3,4,5

I know they happen at high counts but they do happen.

 

[bj bob]

Not to put down others views but I think accuracy in index moves is pretty important if you can build it up. I think you loose a little on accuracy just by not being able to estimate the decks played real accurate. The closer you can nail the index departure number the better off you are I think and it all adds up.

I have just been looking at some departures that I rarely use but once I cement them good in my brain I can break them out and to make a bold move with a black on the board is a good feeling for example:

Doubling the A8 and A9 vs 2-6 and even 7 or A7 vs 8.
Doubling 7 vs 3,4,5

I know they happen at high counts but they do happen.

Theoretically all that's true, however , there comes a point where the value is negligible. I myself use 60 for SD, DD while a lot of folks are quite happy with the I-18. One the other side of the coin some of our very own members use over a 100. If I remember correctly Zg uses more than 150 ( now that's no fair, he was using mind expansion:flame
The value of indeces is increased with the fewer number of decks, so in shoe play the I-18+ will do just fine. You can always add to you list as you go. As an example, I do know the index for 9,9 v. A, but have only used it twice in 3 years.

 

[zengrifter]

Theoretically all that's true, however , there comes a point where the value is negligible. I myself use 60 for SD, DD while a lot of folks are quite happy with the I-18. One the other side of the coin some of our very own members use over a 100. If I remember correctly Zg uses more than 150 ( now that's no fair, he was using mind expansion:flame.

Now, about 80 and thats overboard. I like plays like doubling A8 v. 3, but most give no real value and raise the variance. zg

 

[mjbballar23]

Not to put down others views but I think accuracy in index moves is pretty important if you can build it up. I think you loose a little on accuracy just by not being able to estimate the decks played real accurate. The closer you can nail the index departure number the better off you are I think and it all adds up.

I have just been looking at some departures that I rarely use but once I cement them good in my brain I can break them out and to make a bold move with a black on the board is a good feeling for example:

Doubling the A8 and A9 vs 2-6 and even 7 or A7 vs 8.
Doubling 7 vs 3,4,5

I know they happen at high counts but they do happen.

The TC required to double 7 vs. 3 is probably around 18 or 20, which you might see once in a lifetime (and more than likely when that happens you wont be dealt 7 vs. 3) so why would you bother knowing it? I do like the A8 doubles, those always send the ploppies over the edge.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

... As an example, I do know the index for 9,9 v. A, but have only used it twice in 3 years.

And that says a lot, being you play pitch games where very high indices aren't that uncommon. Just think how infrequently an 8D player would use it.

When I was using HO2, my index set topped out at 33 and I couldn't find any reason to use more. The ones I really liked were DD 9 vs. 3 and DD 10 vs. 9, negative indices that make you look like a weak player while reducing your variance.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

iv doubled A3 VS 4 one time in over 35000 hands iv recorded of my 8 deck action to put it into perspective

But some of the others like A8 and A9 doubles i can recal taking action on too many times to count and definatly they probibly add up to some margiunal number of ev

I think its important to consider that while the total ev for a play may be low, when it does occur and you miss it, you may have missed quite a bit of ev so its best to be prepared.

 

[Mimosine]

Not to put down others views but I think accuracy in index moves is pretty important if you can build it up. I think you loose a little on accuracy just by not being able to estimate the decks played real accurate. The closer you can nail the index departure number the better off you are I think and it all adds up.

the idea of rounded - even severely so - indicies calls into question the validity of precise index numbers. if you're trying to eeeek out every last 1/10th a cent then use exact numbers, but for ease of use, especially for casual players, KO for example is predicated on severely rounded index numbers. the I18 and Fab 4 for example all occur at 3 rounded numbers, insurance is the 4th. 4 index numbers for 20+ plays and performance suffers marginally, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference until you were approaching N0.

 

[Unshake]

iv doubled A3 VS 4 one time in over 35000 hands iv recorded of my 8 deck action to put it into perspective

But some of the others like A8 and A9 doubles i can recal taking action on too many times to count and definatly they probibly add up to some margiunal number of ev

I think its important to consider that while the total ev for a play may be low, when it does occur and you miss it, you may have missed quite a bit of ev so its best to be prepared.

I'm not sure what count/indices you are using but I think that the A3 double (versus 4) would be a lot more common than doubling A9.

 

[Kasi]

iv doubled A3 VS 4 one time in over 35000 hands iv recorded of my 8 deck action to put it into perspective

How do you keep track of individual cards of individual hands while playing? Internet maybe? Do you write each hand down while playing or maybe have someone else doing it?

Love to see a record of 35000 hands. Awesome.

I might have expected 7 or so anyway lol.