A7 vs 9/10/Ace, at what count do you stand?
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Automatic Monkey
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Always hit it. The loss is significant if you don't. There are probably playing indices for them, but any gain from them will be insignificant.dacium said:
xxrenegadexx
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with ace 7 u cant bust by taking another card..... yes... sometimes you end up with a hard hand not equal 18 but if you spike that A 2 or 3 your golden
Geoff Hall
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I don't think that there are indices against a 9 or 10 but I stand on A,7 verses dealer Ace on +3 or higher (I use Zen Count).dacium said:
Cardcounter
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You always draw.
With ace-7 you have no chance to bust. If the count is high the dealer is more likely to have 19 or 20 if the count is negative you have a very good chance of improving your hand even if you draw a bad card at first you can always redraw and make your hand better. In a hit 17 game you are supposed to draw against an ace in stay 17 it doesn't matter.
With ace-7 you have no chance to bust. If the count is high the dealer is more likely to have 19 or 20 if the count is negative you have a very good chance of improving your hand even if you draw a bad card at first you can always redraw and make your hand better. In a hit 17 game you are supposed to draw against an ace in stay 17 it doesn't matter.
6D, S17, 75% pen, 1-10 spread - 50 million hand sim
always hit soft 18 vs 9,T, hit soft 18 vs A TC<+1
WinRate 1.99 IBA .933
always stand S18 vs 9,T,A
WinRate 1.94 IBA .911
I personally think the index play of standing on soft 18 vs A at TC +1 is a good one to incorporate into your play. It isn't going to make you much money, due to the infrequency with which it occurs. However, the rare times that you end up with an A7 vs a dealer A with a big bet out, take insurance, the dealer doesn't have BJ, then you proceed to hit your hand, you've just waved a giant banner saying that you are a sharp player. Maybe nobody is looking, but if someone does happen to be scrutinizing your play at the time, you are really exposed. Standing on soft 18 vs A at this time has the double effect of providing cover, and being the correct play given the count.
Note that standing on soft 18 vs A at TC +1 only applies to an S17 game. Always hit in an H17 game.
Incidentally, this is one of the commonly recommended cover plays which doesn't become more correct as the count gets higher. (for soft 18 vs 9,T at least ... which combined occur 5 times more frequently than soft 18 vs A). Other cover plays such as always standing on 16vT/12v3/12v2, or doubling 11vA, 8v6, 9v2 become correct plays when the big bets hit the felt. As such, these other plays have a very small effect on a player who is aggressively wonging. The opposite is true for always standing on soft 18 vs 9,T,A. As such, you may want to consider abandoning the cover when the situation comes up with a big bet out.
always hit soft 18 vs 9,T, hit soft 18 vs A TC<+1
WinRate 1.99 IBA .933
always stand S18 vs 9,T,A
WinRate 1.94 IBA .911
I personally think the index play of standing on soft 18 vs A at TC +1 is a good one to incorporate into your play. It isn't going to make you much money, due to the infrequency with which it occurs. However, the rare times that you end up with an A7 vs a dealer A with a big bet out, take insurance, the dealer doesn't have BJ, then you proceed to hit your hand, you've just waved a giant banner saying that you are a sharp player. Maybe nobody is looking, but if someone does happen to be scrutinizing your play at the time, you are really exposed. Standing on soft 18 vs A at this time has the double effect of providing cover, and being the correct play given the count.
Note that standing on soft 18 vs A at TC +1 only applies to an S17 game. Always hit in an H17 game.
Incidentally, this is one of the commonly recommended cover plays which doesn't become more correct as the count gets higher. (for soft 18 vs 9,T at least ... which combined occur 5 times more frequently than soft 18 vs A). Other cover plays such as always standing on 16vT/12v3/12v2, or doubling 11vA, 8v6, 9v2 become correct plays when the big bets hit the felt. As such, these other plays have a very small effect on a player who is aggressively wonging. The opposite is true for always standing on soft 18 vs 9,T,A. As such, you may want to consider abandoning the cover when the situation comes up with a big bet out.
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Just reminded me of a story. My wife and I go to AC once or twice a year.dacium said:
I've converted her to a BS player from a slot-only player. (Thank God lol.)
Anyway, for 4 years in a row, the same guy comes up to our table out of nowhere. She gets an A,7 vs 9 or 10 or Ace. She hits. the guy always says "What's the matter with you? 18 isn't good enough?"
She just tells him I just make the right play and suggested he do the same. He always lost his very small buy-in after 20 minutes each time. Always left mad since she "stole" his card.
4 years in a row - what r the odds lol?
Cardcounter
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18 isn't good enough?
When I hit soft 18 against a 9 or 10 and other players say 18 isn't good enough I say exactly. 18 is just a medicore hand and I always seem to lose to 19 or 20 when the dealer has a 9 or 10 up. Personally I never feel that comfortable with an 18 any ways. Or I make comments like the last time I hit out soft 18 I got 20 and the dealer had a pat 19. Especially if I happened to lose the hand.
When I hit soft 18 against a 9 or 10 and other players say 18 isn't good enough I say exactly. 18 is just a medicore hand and I always seem to lose to 19 or 20 when the dealer has a 9 or 10 up. Personally I never feel that comfortable with an 18 any ways. Or I make comments like the last time I hit out soft 18 I got 20 and the dealer had a pat 19. Especially if I happened to lose the hand.