About low-limit poker (hold'em)

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Sheldon

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I'm sorry for this post, if it against the rule of this forum. Cauz this is about poker. My local casino has a low-limit pocker room. I was wondering if I should switch to that game, because the casino is phasing in continuesly shuffling machine. Sooner or later, there will be nothing attract me in BJ tables.
Somebody said: statistically, you'll be a loser for lower-limit hold'em, giving a situation that your opponents are average players. Is that true ?
Any comments
 
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The Mayor

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>My local casino has a low-limit pocker room. I was wondering if I should switch to that game, because the casino is phasing in continuesly shuffling machine. Sooner or later, there will be nothing attract me in BJ tables.

Bad idea.

>Somebody said: statistically, you'll be a loser for lower-limit hold'em, giving a situation that your opponents are average players. Is that true ?

Yes, this is true. The rake at low limit is about 10%-12% at most local casinos ($3 per hand + toke + jackpot rake). This will kill you if you are excellent and they are average. At best in a $4-$8 game you will make a very tiny long term profit, but most likely you will lose.

Poker only pays if you are a very good player playing at a game that has a small rake (e.g. Vegas games), or if you bonus hussle online poker.

Visit www.twoplustwo.com for more (and much better) information.
 
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phantom007

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Mayor....Possibly Disagree.....

The Poster said that his local casino was going to CSM's. If so, then would not his BEST BET (besides not playing at all...not a good option IMHO...hehehe), be either a decent VP game and/or Regular Poker???

Certainly, at least in theory, CSM's can be beaten AT FULL TABLES, based on the "Those cards cannot come out again, can they(?) theory". Looks good on my computer screen....may or may not play out in practice.

I did think it was wierd how this Poster could not spell SH#T initially, but then became very eloquent (sp?) in the final paragraph.

Damn...am I paranoid???

phantom007.
 
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john

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If you can handle the 10/20 table, go for that. Those 4/8 tables are bad. Too much rivering. You lose two pairs to people going for those flushes on the river. You also have people who play nearly every hand so you see a lot of crazy things happen like guys getting 3 full houses and 2 flushes inside of one hour.
 
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Abraham de Moivre

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Bad Advice.

Learn how to properly play low limit hold em. The rake is probably 5% and capped at $5. You don't HAVE to tip the dealer.

"If you can handle the 10/20 table, go for that."
Learn to play first. GOOD players are at the 10/20.

"Those 4/8 tables are bad. Too much rivering."
Learn that the game is played with 7 cards, not 6.

"You lose two pairs to people going for those flushes on the river."
GREAT! If I have 2 pair, I hope they go for the flush on the river. They will make it 1 out of 4 times -- I win the other 3 times.

"You also have people who play nearly every hand"
DARN! You mean people will be donating a few chips into EVERY pot, no matter what they have? How Terrible!

"so you see a lot of crazy things happen like guys getting 3 full houses and 2 flushes inside of one hour."
And in that hour, a good player will have played 5 hands or so, hopefully one of those full houses or flushes are his.
 
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Abraham de Moivre

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I'm making about $10 an hour in $3/$6 games (with a horribly high rake).
Just like finding good conditions in blackjack -- find poor players in poker, or don't play. But first, you have to learn how to play and how to beat bad players.
 
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Abraham de Moivre

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More on Hold Em Poker

Does any one remember the Howard Stern Show at the Hard Rock for the SuperBowl a year or two back? How a guy was going to play 1 BJ hand for a million dollars or something like that? Then for weeks before on the show they discussed BAD blackjack strategy ...

Well, recently Howard had some guys on the show promoting some Texas Hold Em Poker stuff.

Howard Stern and his Gang were giving the opinion that any 2 suited was a good starting hand, even specifically mentioning 5 2 suited.

Some other advice was to stay in with any pocket pair, even deuces, no matter how much betting there was preflop, ***cause you never know***, a deuce could come on the flop.

I think he even complained about a hand from his Friday game where he folded 92 preflop (OMG!), only to see two 2's on the flop.

How would you like to have these guys sitting at your poker table? If not Howard, then one of his thousands of listeners, ready to call your pre-flop raise with 9 2 because "you never know".

With the amount of idiots jumping on the Texas Hold Em band wagon, poker is now a definitive advantage play.

How To Do It:

1) Find the fish at the tables, much like you find the blackjack dealer giving the good pen. Watch out for the Sharks, just like you avoid the fake double deck games.

2) Know the correct basic starting hands down cold, then maybe even tighten it up a tweak or two.

3) Play "Basic Strategy", ABC Poker. If you got it, BET. If you don't, FOLD. Raise when you got the NUTS.

The fish will call along and pay you off, time and time again. No need for fancy semi-bluffs, or mind games, or any of that other 'expert' stuff. 1-2-3 above will get the job done WITH THE RIGHT PLAYERS.
 
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Count Luckula

Active Member
Re: More on Hold Em Poker

>Does any one remember the Howard Stern Show at the Hard Rock for the SuperBowl >a year or two back? How a guy was going to play 1 BJ hand for a million >dollars or something like that? Then for weeks before on the show they >discussed BAD blackjack strategy ...
>
>Well, recently Howard had some guys on the show promoting some Texas Hold Em >Poker stuff.
>
>Howard Stern and his Gang were giving the opinion that any 2 suited was a good >starting hand, even specifically mentioning 5 2 suited.
>
>Some other advice was to stay in with any pocket pair, even deuces, no matter >how much betting there was preflop, ***cause you never know***, a deuce could >come on the flop.
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>I think he even complained about a hand from his Friday game where he folded >92 preflop (OMG!), only to see two 2's on the flop.
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>How would you like to have these guys sitting at your poker table? If not >Howard, then one of his thousands of listeners, ready to call your pre-flop >raise with 9 2 because "you never know".
>
>With the amount of idiots jumping on the Texas Hold Em band wagon, poker is >now a definitive advantage play.

He had Robert Varkonyi on the phone this morning, if that tells you anything. Maybe Moneymaker will grace us with some wisdom next.

Poker has gotten huge recently and there are definitely many fish in the sea, but I can't see the point of trying to earn money at low-stakes poker at a B&M casino. The rakes are high and the dealers are slow. The rake will eat into your earnings, and having to play super tight against clowns who will play any cards frankly bores me out of my mind. Online, you will find lower rakes, and with a little practice, you should be able to play at least 10 times as many hands per hour. If you're just learning, you will also find lower minimums, and how can you beat the convenience of playing from your own home?

If high-stakes or big-bet poker is your game, it's a different story.
 
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Count Luckula

Active Member
Re: More on Hold Em Poker

>Besides the obvious, any advice for the 6 person online tables?

Not sure what's considered obvious, but in short-handed games you are able to play more starting hands, and when you see potential draws on the board, you can expect people to hit less often. Depending on the other players, more aggressive play is usually in order, and in a limit game, it is a little less likely that the pot will get so large so quickly it will be right for people to call long-shot draws. You're more likely to be able to make sure that they aren't getting proper odds.
 
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