AC passes partial smoking ban

21forme

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ATLANTIC CITY — Despite resounding opposition from casino employees and anti-smoking activists, City Council breathed life into an amended ordinance Wednesday night that would allow smoking on one-fourth of casino gaming floors.

Under the new ordinance, instead of a full-fledged smoking ban, which originally was slated for its final vote, a compromise would allow casinos to offer enclosed and separately ventilated smoking sections on 25 percent of their gaming floors.

“There should be some understanding that this is a $5.2 billion business,” Councilman John Schultz said shortly before the meeting began. “We need to preserve that and protect the employees at the same time.”

When asked how the plan would be enacted by the casinos, Schultz said: “That's the casinos' problem, not ours.”

However, Councilman Dennis Mason, who sponsored the compromise measure after private and lengthy negotiations with the Casino Association of New Jersey, told the crowd of more than 200 that the smoking-section employees would be volunteers.
 

ChefJJ

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Wow. How long do they have to become compliant? Is it true that Casino Windsor is smoke-free?
 
I wonder how they're going to pick which 25% of the casino gets the smoke.

Hopefully there aren't sleazy weasel words in there that allow them to define on their own what part of the casino is considered "gaming floor".
 

jetace

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Automatic Monkey said:
I wonder how they're going to pick which 25% of the casino gets the smoke.

Hopefully there aren't sleazy weasel words in there that allow them to define on their own what part of the casino is considered "gaming floor".
That'll be the blackjack section with the good rules and penetration of course.
 

EasyRhino

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I've seen a couple casinos with non-smoking sections which are walled-off ghettos, I guess this just flips the script.

... and to play on the stereotype, my guess would be that the 25% smoking section would be dedicated entirely to pai gow and baccarat.
 

21forme

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I get the impression that there are more smokers at the slots than the tables, so will have to be plenty of slots in there, too.
 
EasyRhino said:
I've seen a couple casinos with non-smoking sections which are walled-off ghettos, I guess this just flips the script.

... and to play on the stereotype, my guess would be that the 25% smoking section would be dedicated entirely to pai gow and baccarat.
Hey why not make the games with the biggest house edges the smoking area? There will be some people who will play them just so they can smoke and play.

The poker room at Foxwoods is an enormous place and has been non-smoking for a long time. (Maybe poker players are too cheap to buy cigarettes?) They can't possibly be making that much money off the poker action, but have this huge poker room in hopes the players will either play other games or bring wives who will play slots or something. If this reasoning holds across the board, the logical next place to make non-smoking would be the blackjack pits. It wouldn't make any sense to leave the smoking option at any place other than slots, which is the big money maker for any eastern casino. Having the slots half smoking, half non-smoking can only increase their traffic and player satisfaction. There are also no dealers needed so they won't have to worry about finding as many employees to volunteer to go in there.
 

QFIT

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21forme said:
“There should be some understanding that this is a $5.2 billion business,”
Interesting statement. How large is the heroin business? How large is the Mafia? I didn't know that business volume was an official criterion used in framing laws. But, that would explain many past rulings.:)
 
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bluewhale

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ChefJJ said:
Wow. How long do they have to become compliant? Is it true that Casino Windsor is smoke-free?
all indoor public places in ontario and now quebec are smoke free. so yeah, casino windsor is smoke free.
 

ChefJJ

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QFIT said:
Interesting statement. How large is the heroin business? How large is the Mafia? I didn't know that business volume was an official criterion used in framing laws. But, that would explain many past rulings.:)
So true QFIT, so true. Just take one primo example--tobacco is legal, while marijuana isn't. Hmm...wonder who had the most pull in that one, the one with the biggest industry and most "pull".

Oh hell, I got way off track on that one...I'm gonna catch crap over that, but hey, money makes the laws, er, world go round.

Good luck.
 

shadroch

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QFIT said:
Interesting statement. How large is the heroin business? How large is the Mafia? I didn't know that business volume was an official criterion used in framing laws. But, that would explain many past rulings.:)

How much does the heroin industry pay in state and local taxes?Is the mafia the cities largest employer?Take away a good bit of the casinos income and the tax base the city is built on could easily collapse.I'm not saying it will,but who wants to play God with the fates of 50,000 people.
BTW-QFIT. Mr Schultz used to own several of the largest nightclubs in AC.Had been in the nightclub business for over twenty years,but sold them just before the no smoking ban went into effect.
I still think this is all moot,as the State of NJ has repeatedly stated it and it alone has jurisdiction over anything casino orientated.
 

ChefJJ

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shadroch said:
How much does the heroin industry pay in state and local taxes?Is the mafia the cities largest employer?Take away a good bit of the casinos income and the tax base the city is built on could easily collapse.I'm not saying it will,but who wants to play God with the fates of 50,000 people.
BTW-QFIT. Mr Schultz used to own several of the largest nightclubs in AC.Had been in the nightclub business for over twenty years,but sold them just before the no smoking ban went into effect.
I still think this is all moot,as the State of NJ has repeatedly stated it and it alone has jurisdiction over anything casino orientated.
Good point Shadrock, but I'll even take your comment further for the sake of discussion: Who legalized casino gaming in New Jersey? So, could we say that the State Legislature "created" the industry in AC?

(Just a thought...apparently we are all proponents of casino gambling on this site for obvious reasons.)

good luck
 
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