I've stated on this board a few times that I didn't know if I could ever become as proficient with AOII as I was with Hi-Lo. I didn't think that I would ever be able to chat it up with the ploppies, dealers, floor, or CW's as I was able to while usilg Hi-Lo. Well I'm here to tell you that after 192 hours of actual casino time and many more hours of practice time it has become 2nd nature to me. It is amazing how the human mind works. I can glance at a pair of cards and without even having to think about it the value pops into my head. I play mostly single and double deck games and I have been amazed with the power of this system. Thanks to all of you guys for the advice, encouragement, and comraderie. This is a great community!
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zengrifter
Banned
A final improvement is recommended -
You've heard this from me before -
Using counts like AO2 and HO2 WITHOUT a secondary Ace count (such as As-2vs2s/5s+1) does not glean the full power of the level2 Ace-neutral scheme.
If you are only estimating Ace-density per 1/4Deck you are working harder for the amount of gain that is already available with an Ace-compromised count.
Therefor, I recommend that you keep your current indices and swap the Ace and 9 tag values, and drop the Ace sidecount altogether. You will glean the same value with less work. And you will have greater value in shoe games. zg
You've heard this from me before -
Using counts like AO2 and HO2 WITHOUT a secondary Ace count (such as As-2vs2s/5s+1) does not glean the full power of the level2 Ace-neutral scheme.
If you are only estimating Ace-density per 1/4Deck you are working harder for the amount of gain that is already available with an Ace-compromised count.
Therefor, I recommend that you keep your current indices and swap the Ace and 9 tag values, and drop the Ace sidecount altogether. You will glean the same value with less work. And you will have greater value in shoe games. zg
In my last session
I had a really good count in a double deck game so I played 2 hands of 75% of my max bet. Dealer has a 6 showing and on my first hand I get a pair of deuces. I split and get a nine on the first 2 and then double down catching a 7 for 18. I draw a face on the second 2 and stand. My second hand is a 7 and 2 for a 9 so I double again. The dealer then flips his hole card to reveal a 5. Of course he drew a 10 for a 21. I lost 30 units in one round of cards. I ended up playing almost 3 hours and although it was one of the worst sessions I've had this year I still lost only 60 units. It was one of those sessions where the only time the dealer would bust would be after I did. He was making every hand with bust cards showing, and would consistently beat my 18 with a 19 or my 17 with a 18. I guess we need sessions like this occasionally to remind us that card counting does not mean easy money everytime.
I had a really good count in a double deck game so I played 2 hands of 75% of my max bet. Dealer has a 6 showing and on my first hand I get a pair of deuces. I split and get a nine on the first 2 and then double down catching a 7 for 18. I draw a face on the second 2 and stand. My second hand is a 7 and 2 for a 9 so I double again. The dealer then flips his hole card to reveal a 5. Of course he drew a 10 for a 21. I lost 30 units in one round of cards. I ended up playing almost 3 hours and although it was one of the worst sessions I've had this year I still lost only 60 units. It was one of those sessions where the only time the dealer would bust would be after I did. He was making every hand with bust cards showing, and would consistently beat my 18 with a 19 or my 17 with a 18. I guess we need sessions like this occasionally to remind us that card counting does not mean easy money everytime.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
You're right
These swings are absolutely unavoidable, if you want to play. Oh, how I wish there was a pitch game I had access to to have my bad sessions on! Try having a bad session spreading $25-$300, you'll feel sick.
These swings are absolutely unavoidable, if you want to play. Oh, how I wish there was a pitch game I had access to to have my bad sessions on! Try having a bad session spreading $25-$300, you'll feel sick.
Stealth Bomber
Well-Known Member
Is there a flaw with AO2?
ZG, has what you mentioned and suggest been mathematically proven with a sim?
ZG, has what you mentioned and suggest been mathematically proven with a sim?
gorilla player
Well-Known Member
If you mean
Systems that don't count the 7, no. There are a couple that do very well in PE without counting the 7's...
I've known several people that did an ace side-count for HiLo to improve the PE, but I have not tried it myself. It is on my list of things to try one day...
Systems that don't count the 7, no. There are a couple that do very well in PE without counting the 7's...
I've known several people that did an ace side-count for HiLo to improve the PE, but I have not tried it myself. It is on my list of things to try one day...
zengrifter
Banned
The "flaw" is in the proposed method...
... of applying the Ace side count. Carlson, Humble and others have proposed that you can simply maintain awareness of relative Ace-density per 1/4Deck.
Alas, the above is insufficient to glean the full value of the scheme. What you end up with is the net result of using an Ace-compromised level-2 count (ala ZEN) WHILE WORKING HARDER.
Thus my suggestion that the A02 practioner keep his A02 indices BUT swap the Ace and 9 tag values.
Similarly, the H02 practioner can keep those indices BUT change the 6 to +2 and the Ace to -1
Whats the sense in tracking the Ace ineffectively?
A02 - 112221,0,-1,-2,0
H02 - 112211,0,0,-2,0
ZEN - 112221,0,0,-2,-1
zg
... of applying the Ace side count. Carlson, Humble and others have proposed that you can simply maintain awareness of relative Ace-density per 1/4Deck.
Alas, the above is insufficient to glean the full value of the scheme. What you end up with is the net result of using an Ace-compromised level-2 count (ala ZEN) WHILE WORKING HARDER.
Thus my suggestion that the A02 practioner keep his A02 indices BUT swap the Ace and 9 tag values.
Similarly, the H02 practioner can keep those indices BUT change the 6 to +2 and the Ace to -1
Whats the sense in tracking the Ace ineffectively?
A02 - 112221,0,-1,-2,0
H02 - 112211,0,0,-2,0
ZEN - 112221,0,0,-2,-1
zg