American Casino Guide Coupons
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li_ka_shing168
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Hi everyone, i want to gather as much info as possible for the using of these coupons. I am planning a trip to LV this winter. I have though of buying one hundred copy of ACG to accumulate all the MP coupons and slot coupons to play them. I have calculating mathematically that there will be an advantage if used properly. Buying 100 books cost around 1300$. We have a minimum of ten coupons worth 10 $ each, so you have 100$ bankroll per book and you have 10000$ bankroll for 100 books. Suppose you count cards and the the game is 50%/50% chance of winning. We get 5000$ out of the 10000$ BR for playing coupons. 5000$-1300$= 3700$ profit statistically. Now the problem is, will I be able to use more then one coupon a day. Do the coupons need to be approved on the desk or can they be played immediately on the table. I am thinking of using something like 15 coupons per day in each casino on different games, different tables and sections and different shifts for a week to be able to use all the 100 coupons of each casino during one week time. Please replies are extremely appreciated and PM will be more then welcome if some info can't be show on public. I have heard about coupons from LVA too, if ever this trick can work on LVA, i will be purchasing LVA plus the ACG. Thanks in advance to everyone.
No casino is going to let you sit there and play match play after match play out of a coupon book. Many of the coupons require signing up for a players card, and they track your usage ... one per year.
Other casinos don't actually track usage that closely. So you can probably use several in a day at different pits and different shifts. But even then, I doubt you're going to be able to use 15/day, much less 100/week before someone notices and boots you.
Other casinos don't actually track usage that closely. So you can probably use several in a day at different pits and different shifts. But even then, I doubt you're going to be able to use 15/day, much less 100/week before someone notices and boots you.
Almost every casino limits you to one MP a day, which means you can prob. get away with about four a day by hitting different shifts and pits.
Some limit you to one a year,and enter it on the computer.
Same thing with the LVA, except LVA will only sell one membership per person, two per mailing address.
Realisticly, figure you can use around $500 in MPs per person per week, but that involves a lot of driving to the various casinos, many of which are fairly distant from each other.
The local newspaper has a section with a number of MPs in it. Some are one a day, some are one a month. For these, you need go to the players booth and exchange the ad for a MP each day.Then it's a matter of do you want to drive five miles to play a single $25 MP every day.
Some limit you to one a year,and enter it on the computer.
Same thing with the LVA, except LVA will only sell one membership per person, two per mailing address.
Realisticly, figure you can use around $500 in MPs per person per week, but that involves a lot of driving to the various casinos, many of which are fairly distant from each other.
The local newspaper has a section with a number of MPs in it. Some are one a day, some are one a month. For these, you need go to the players booth and exchange the ad for a MP each day.Then it's a matter of do you want to drive five miles to play a single $25 MP every day.
Pro21
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You should definitely check out the http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/ Anthony Curtis has written a lot about coupons, and you will probably find good info on his forums.
Lonesome Gambler
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You can often use multiple MPs on one shift just by playing them on different tables in different pits. In my experience, you'll only need to show a player's card about 10% of the time or less. Remember that blackjack is NOT the best way to maximize MPs, and only about half of the coupons in the ACG are specifically BJ MPs. I would feel comfortable playing 2 MP per shift, and maybe 3 or 4 if it's a large place. 3CP and craps are good for this strategy. Another thing I noticed is that some places will let you place a field bet on craps even if the coupon specifies even-money only. In fact, one boxman shot me down trying to put a $10MP on the don't come and said I could only play the pass or field. Don't mind if I do...
Lonesome Gambler
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Much worse, but it's also much higher-variance, which helps when maximizing the value of MP coupons. If you're only playing a coupon here or there, you're probably better off slipping it in with your blackjack play, but if you're doing a coupon run, and thus can accept the swings of coupon play, higher-variance sucker bets tend to be better. According to JG's Beyond Coupons, the best bet for a MP is any number on roulette straight-up. Obviously, most coupons nowadays are even-money, surrender only on win or loss, so your best options become 3CP and Craps on the pass, but they will usually let you place a field bet (since it's a poor bet), not knowing that you're actually increasing your EV for that coupon. All of the places in Vegas that I paid attention to were paying 2:1 on a 2 and 3:1 on a 12, so you can see where this strategy would eventually pay off.
Lonesome Gambler
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Yeah, you have a good point there. My guess is that, in places clueless enough to allow a field bet with a MP, they probably won't even think about the even-money restriction. I wouldn't know because I lost every single one of my field bet MPs!
I wonder if someone can do the math on this...
I wonder if someone can do the math on this...
Deathclutch
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Me personally, I'd go with the pass line wager.sabre said:
During the come out roll on the pass line the shooter has a 33.33% edge. Eight ways to win, four to lose.
After the point is established the edge varies depending on the number but it varies from 9.091% to 33.33% for the house. Blended edge on the pass line bet would be -1.414% house advantage.
The field bet on the other hand has a 5.556% edge for the house. If you have a triple pay 12 field bet at your casino then the edge lowers to 2.778%.
Cardcounter
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MP caution!
If you are going to use a matchplay coupon on a bet that pays more than one to one ask the dealer what you will win if you win with the matchplay on. That way if you bet it on roulette and hit a payout of 35 to 1 with a $5 bet and a $5 matchplay you know you will win $350 and not a $180! If you get the $350 payout with a $5 bet and $5 matchplay the matchplay is worth a lot closer to face value than if you bet it on blackjack where it is worth a little less than half its face value.
If you are going to use a matchplay coupon on a bet that pays more than one to one ask the dealer what you will win if you win with the matchplay on. That way if you bet it on roulette and hit a payout of 35 to 1 with a $5 bet and a $5 matchplay you know you will win $350 and not a $180! If you get the $350 payout with a $5 bet and $5 matchplay the matchplay is worth a lot closer to face value than if you bet it on blackjack where it is worth a little less than half its face value.
Cardcounter
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MP aren't always restricted
MP aren't always restricted to one a trip. Every month from the siena sends me $50 worth of MP and when I go to get them they give me 5 or 6 bets that I can use the matchplays on. I use them one after the other until they are gone that day. I don't have to spread them out and they expire at the end of every month. So I use them the second I get them I want to get ride of them first just in case I get kicked out.
If you have a whole bunch of matchplays alot of the time the casino will let you play them one after another until they are gone!
MP aren't always restricted to one a trip. Every month from the siena sends me $50 worth of MP and when I go to get them they give me 5 or 6 bets that I can use the matchplays on. I use them one after the other until they are gone that day. I don't have to spread them out and they expire at the end of every month. So I use them the second I get them I want to get ride of them first just in case I get kicked out.
If you have a whole bunch of matchplays alot of the time the casino will let you play them one after another until they are gone!
Don't gamble with your MP coupon. Cash it out for half its face value or slightly less. Playing Baccarat.
Say you have a $10 coupon. Place it on Banker and $5 on player. They outcome is you get $5 profit if Player wins or $4.50 if Banker wins. Now you have to place another $10 on Banker and Player simultaneously to use your MP coupon this way.
Say you have a $10 coupon. Place it on Banker and $5 on player. They outcome is you get $5 profit if Player wins or $4.50 if Banker wins. Now you have to place another $10 on Banker and Player simultaneously to use your MP coupon this way.
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Lonesome Gambler
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Has everyone read Beyond Coupons (Archive copy) yet?
Lonesome Gambler
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You have a good point. Baccarat seems to be the best way to cash a MP unless you have a great BJ game with 3:2 on the MP or want to wager additional money on a few hands of 3CP. I'm just working on the principle that MP coupons are one of the instances where you actually want variance.