Another post on CSMs ......... Anyways I as just reading the CSMs are the equivalent

[BJLFS]

of an infinite number of decks.

http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pages/41143.html

I have another reason to hate those things.

 

[MangoJ]

I think it's not equivalent to an infinite deck, but equivalent to a deck that is shuffled after each game. Drawn cards are inserted back into the CSM after the game. (If somehow cards were inserted back right after each draw than it would be an infinite deck)

The difference is minor, though...

 

[BJLFS]

I think it's not equivalent to an infinite deck, but equivalent to a deck that is shuffled after each game. Drawn cards are inserted back into the CSM after the game. (If somehow cards were inserted back right after each draw than it would be an infinite deck)

The difference is minor, though...

Or should I say a shoe with an infinite number of decks?

 

[MangoJ]

Drawing AA from an infinite deck is different from drawing AA from a finite deck that is shuffled after each hand.

Even in a CSM game you cannot draw the very same card twice. If the first card is an Ace, probability that the second card is an Ace is below 1/13.
In an infinite deck it's always exactly 1/13.

Difference is minor, but I'm open for discussion.

 

[BJLFS]

Drawing AA from an infinite deck is different from drawing AA from a finite deck that is shuffled after each hand.

Even in a CSM game you cannot draw the very same card twice. If the first card is an Ace, probability that the second card is an Ace is below 1/13.
In an infinite deck it's always exactly 1/13.

Difference is minor, but I'm open for discussion.

OK. I can agree. I don't know about the infinite part but It does seem like the player is effectively drawing from a larger number of decks than the five or so that they put into the CSM. Besides the count for those decks are going to be always near zero.

Anyways onward ..........

 

[MangoJ]

Effectivly, the player draws from a x-deck shoe. The only difference is that he doesn't get any real penetration (besides the cards on the table).

Counting rules for CSM games:
RC=0 before each hand. Pretty boring, right ?

 

[BJLFS]

Effectivly, the player draws from a x-deck shoe. The only difference is that he doesn't get any real penetration (besides the cards on the table).

Counting rules for CSM games:
RC=0 before each hand. Pretty boring, right ?

Right.