A personal opionion in relation to this thread and another.
Is it possible the reported losses are linked to a lack of proper and disiplined wonging out ? My buddy and I have said to each other time and again, it is no good to be a counter if the count is always (exagerating) negative. So you learn some low count indices... I dont think it is worth it, so now we scout for superb rules for our turf, superb pen, which btw the last joint we scoped out was great, and are looking for places we can wong as we please. With two of us in the small card rooms we use a sort of team approach, I sit down and he stands and watches counting, I flat bet till the shuffle and right after, then do my thing, if the count is up he sits and bets big, if not I play a few and move to a different table, he sticks around and sits at the original table when it doesn get high. I start counting the table I am at, He looses, and joins back up with me, if there is a stack of chips in my circle he sits and bets big, if not I stand, rinse, and repeat. This way we can use a team type stradedgy in a small club without looking like we are attached at the hip and both winning.