Automatic Shuffle Machines

[Schuey]

How common are the automatic shuffling machines in casinos nowadays? When they are used is it always at the dealer's discretion as to when they are used or do some casinos only use automatic shuffling at the end of a shoe, I'm guessing different for different places but whats more common? What about differences in different parts of the world, does anyone know how the use of such machines in Vegas compares to the use in say Europe?

Also to what extent do the casinos changing the rules whenever they like midshoe kind of thing exist now?

 

[phantom007]

Do you mean "Continuous Shuffle Machines?"...

ASM's, i.e., Automatic Shuffle Machines are GREAT for non-Wonging, non-tracking, non-sequencing CC's. While you are playing through one deck/shoe, the other is being shuffled. Minimal "downtime" between shuffles.....just put the "played" cards in the ASM, pull out the "Fresh" deck/shoe, someone cuts, and keep on playing! +EV just by having many more hands/hour!

In 6D for example, easy to lose 1/4th of one's playing time, just watching the Dealer shuffle cards......ZZZZzzzzzzzz..

Since I am still a N3-WTS, i.e., NON-Wonging, NON-Tracking, NON-Sequencing CC'er, I will most always choose an ASM game over hand-shuffled, if ALL other factors are equal.

Conversely, CSM's, i.e., "Continuous Shuffle Machines" are a "DIFFERENT ANIMAL". Basically, all unplayed cards PLUS ALL cards played to an ADVERSE Player decision, i.e., BUST CARDS, are "put back in the 'HOPPER', and played again. With FULL BORE, the exact same King of Hearts that busted your neighbor's '16', could be drawn again to bust your own '16'!

MOST CSM's utilize 5 Decks, or 260 cards. I have seen posts that suggest some advantage is possible playing CSM's. The theory goes like this:

---Dealer + Full Table (6-players), presume ave. of 2.7 Cards/Hand.
---If MOST cards are "little", BET-up, as the ODDS of more than 2-3 of THOSE SAME "little" cards reappearing the next hand are Minimal.
---If MOST cards are "big", BET-down, and with the same logic.
---Seems to me like playing KENO with BJ, but will await scientific review.

Europe....who knows? On bj21 in the last few months, there was a post regarding "Airport-BJ"....they used CSM's.

Hope this help answer your questions.

phantom007.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Old Style CSM's

I believe it was Wong who exploited a latency from cards entering the hopper to being dealt for a big advantage. I don't know all the mechanics of it or if those machines are still around.

There are other CSM's that make it very easy for a holecarder to do his job. That's probably the biggest advantage of all if you can do it.

 

[phantom007]

Please explain "Hole-Carder/Job" Stuff.....

If not suitable in "public", then maybe e-mail to CC-management, and maybe they will e-mail to me.

Thanks,

pH.7.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Real simple

A holecarder is a player who is good at peeking at the dealer's hole card. I'm not very good at it, too tall, maybe I get a peek once every 1000 hands or so. But if you are a good holecarder and can find a sloppy dealer you can empty out the tray. Very nice when surrender is available. I've heard there are a few CSM's out there that discharge the cards in such a way that it's easy to see the hole card.