backcounting

[somtum]

Ok.. I've never tried back counting but I think I'll give it a go next time.

Are there any recommendations for a maximum amount in large casino without drawing too much heat? Just my opinion I'm going to say that backcounting and wonging in with more than $150 may be risky.

I know the common high low method but I was thinking maybe an unbalanced count like the Red 7 might work easier for this because you wouldn't necessary have wait for a new shoe to starting counting which would definitely save a lot of time instead of walking around always to find new shoes to start your count and time is money.

 

[moo321]

Depends on the casino. An Indian joint in the middle of nowhere on graveyard, $50 might get you noticed. AC or a strip casino on a Saturday night, and $500 might not get you noticed.

 

[EasyRhino]

Ok.. I've never tried back counting but I think I'll give it a go next time.

Are there any recommendations for a maximum amount in large casino without drawing too much heat? Just my opinion I'm going to say that backcounting and wonging in with more than $150 may be risky.

I know the common high low method but I was thinking maybe an unbalanced count like the Red 7 might work easier for this because you wouldn't necessary have wait for a new shoe to starting counting which would definitely save a lot of time instead of walking around always to find new shoes to start your count and time is money.

The need to start counting early doesn't chance if you're using Red 7 or Hi lo.

It's still very preferable to start counting at the beginning of the shoe or within like the first round. If much gets dealt out before you get there, you'd need, if using hi-lo, to add the dealt decks to the part of the shoe after the cut card when computing the true count. If using Red 7, you'd still be starting at a very negative count, so it would be harder to reach your key count.

If that doesn't make any sense, then you need to start counting from the beginning of a shoe.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Ok.. I've never tried back counting but I think I'll give it a go next time.

Are there any recommendations for a maximum amount in large casino without drawing too much heat? Just my opinion I'm going to say that backcounting and wonging in with more than $150 may be risky.

I know the common high low method but I was thinking maybe an unbalanced count like the Red 7 might work easier for this because you wouldn't necessary have wait for a new shoe to starting counting which would definitely save a lot of time instead of walking around always to find new shoes to start your count and time is money.

You can backcount from the middle of the shoe with any count. Using a balanced count, you just have to pretend the cards that are already dealt out are still in the shoe when you do your true count calculation, just like they are behind the cut card. With an unbalanced count you just start at the regular IRC, there is no difference. But as Rhino pointed out don't count on ever making it to an advantageous count; it's just like playing a game with bad pen.

 

[somtum]

The need to start counting early doesn't chance if you're using Red 7 or Hi lo.

It's still very preferable to start counting at the beginning of the shoe or within like the first round. If much gets dealt out before you get there, you'd need, if using hi-lo, to add the dealt decks to the part of the shoe after the cut card when computing the true count. If using Red 7, you'd still be starting at a very negative count, so it would be harder to reach your key count.

If that doesn't make any sense, then you need to start counting from the beginning of a shoe.

Well...yeah I know the best thing would be to backcount at the very beginning of the shoe. I guess also had the thought also in mind that if I started backcounting sometimes after a deck or a little more was dealt maybe it would be considered small form of cover because I assume practically the majority of counters start at the beginning...

 

[somtum]

You can backcount from the middle of the shoe with any count. Using a balanced count, you just have to pretend the cards that are already dealt out are still in the shoe when you do your true count calculation, just like they are behind the cut card. With an unbalanced count you just start at the regular IRC, there is no difference. But as Rhino pointed out don't count on ever making it to an advantageous count; it's just like playing a game with bad pen.

Yes.. backcounting using a balanced count after a shoe has began would be prone to cause more calculations errors but I guess that's what practice is for...

 

[Kasi]

I've never tried back counting but I think I'll give it a go next time.
Just my opinion I'm going to say that backcounting and wonging in with more than $150 may be risky.

Might be alot riskier to your bankroll than getting heat. Or just bet $500 if you think you can get away with it. What's the difference anyway?

A novel approach - an entire betting strategy based soley on the risk of getting heat.

 

[la_dee_daa]

A novel approach - an entire betting strategy based soley on the risk of getting heat.

i like the idea.. since no sim in the world that i know of will take this in as a factor.

go make it up Kasi!!!!

:cow:

 

[EasyRhino]

Ooh, wait, I wouldn't start observing shoes later due to any concerns about worry.

Backcounting itself can be excellent cover, especially if you're playing for small stakes (no one cares), or if there's a lot of traffic in the casino.

If it's kind of dead, and you're playing at stakes the casino cares about, then you might look like a child molestor at a park. But in this case, delaying your observation wouldn't really help out your cover any, but it would still give you less information. So it's a lose-lose idea.

 

[Kasi]

i like the idea.. since no sim in the world that i know of will take this in as a factor.

go make it up Kasi!!!!

:cow:

Lol. And you're right. Pretty much my point lol.

I was just trying to suggest the remote possibility that he may want to, just for giggles, maybe figure out what he does want to bet, spreading how much and when for this and that game assuming no heat.

Then worry about heat

Just in case there might be a difference between betting $50 or $5000 assuming no heat lol.