Backed off years ago - will they remember?

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sprettster

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Several years ago I got backed off (not trespassed, just "you're welcome to play any other game...") at the Reno Peppermill and Atlantis. At both places I was getting comped RFB for green SD play, and I was using my real name. Since then I've played anonymously everywhere, fearing that my name would have been shared with other casinos, by Griffin or however else, and I would be immediately ejected from every place that recognized my name. This makes it tough to play for comps or high stakes unless I go the fake ID route.

Of course, when everybody's out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking. But then, I've heard that the Peppermill and Atlantis don't subscribe to Griffin, and I don't really know if casinos otherwise share info. I'd expect that I can never again identify myself in places where I've been backed off, but how about other places? Any ideas?

Thanks,

sprettster
 
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The Mayor

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I have played so many times at places I have been backed-off, it is hard to count them all.

I have been backed-off at the Horseshoe on 4 different occasions.

The number of times I have been backed-off at the EC is also large.

I have also gone back after being backed-off at a number of other places, including the MGM and Strat.

These guys have new photos and flyers coming through each day, if you just politely leave without making a scene, they will forget your face within a month.

--Mayor
 
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sprettster

Member
Thanks, Mayor. Do you use a tracking card in your real name in any of the places that you've been backed off?

It seems to me that the PC who kicks me out would record that in my computer file. They might forget my face quickly, but if I go back a year later and hand them a tracking card when I sit down to play then I'm 86'd in a hurry when the computer remembers me. Am I being too paranoid, or giving the casinos too much credit? And what is the likelihood that they would have somehow shared my name with other casinos?

thx,

sprettster
 
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Mister M

Member
I trust that you were spreading 1-20 on sd rather than 1-8 4.0/6 then?
And can you also confirm that your playing sessions were at least 2 hours?

C'mon Elliot, share some of your back-off experieves. I bet that they were often hilarious to say the least!
 
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The Mayor

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Hmmm... curious idea, sharing my backoffs...

I'll share more later, but here is one...

I was playing the lone SD game at the Four Queens, and I had been having a poor trip, down about 100 units. That game, as you may know, uses a cut card. I had been playing head's up about an hour, two hands, getting 3 rounds, which is poor. I kept losing there. Finally I told the dealer "this is my last deck here, could you put the cut card lower", and he did, about 8 cards from the bottom! Well, the counts shoots up and I have my max bet out after 2 rounds. I keep winning, and winning, and finally the last round comes, there are about 10 cards left, and the TC must be 20 or so, so I put out everything I can stomach into two circles, with the boss watching. Effectively, I spread 30-1 on single deck. I get two snappers, while the dealer turns over a 6 (the last low card) -- and I let out a small cheer for my huge comeback on this last deck, announcing that "it is a good time to leave." The boss comes over to me and says "you got that right!"

--Mayor
 
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The Mayor

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Another thought

There is another thought on this I had, that I want to share. If you are considering doing this professionally, you have to be a lot more careful. You want to stay out of Griffin, not get yourself flyered, and otherwise remain a non-person as much as possible. If you have more serious intentions about BJ as a profession, please do be careful about going back.

--Mayor
 
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BradRod

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Re: .....Backed off........

My experience with heat consists of 2 separate times where I was possibly being a little too obvious to the dealer when I first started counting. In one case the dealer remarked,, "You're counting the cards". The other time a dealer said "if you werent counting the cards you'd be able to decide how to play your hand". But in neither case did the dealer say anyhting to anyone elseor say anything more about it.

The one time it was a pit person who seemed to notice he kept telling the dealer to call out the cards and hand totals as he was dealing. I took this be a way to make the dealer mess up my count and make it harder for me to keep it in my head. Even with that he did not seem to take my threat too seriously and I have continued to play there without any more heat that I am aware of.

Sometimes if I think I am being watched by a pit person I take care to notice if it is really me they are intersted in. Often it is the dealer who they are actually keeping watch over
 
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The Mayor

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And then there was the time

I was playing head's up double deck against this Black Dealer, the guy is about 6 foot 5, maybe 350 pounds, and he has a Jamaican accent. Every time I raised my bet with the count he laughed in the maniacal voodoo laugh that means he knows that you know he knows. He just kept that up until the boss came over and counted down a deck, then gave me the boot. It was creepy.
 
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The Mayor

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Oh yes, and...

There was the time at the El Cortez that I sat there flat betting $25, but I was the biggest fish in there by a long way. I was dressed all wrong, slacks and a nice shirt, a wool coat -- real college prof stuff. There were 3 bosses watching me, in shifts, so I made some mistakes, and tried to duff it up. Finally, I just got tired of the chirade, so the count got high and I bet a max bet, and got a blackjack. One bet that wasn't $25, and I got the boot.

--Mayor
 
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The Mayor

Well-Known Member
And one final one...

Though there are MANY more, here is another backoff...

I was playing at the Flamingo last trip, I found a head's up shoe, and played it at the minimum, since it went negative early. At the end of the shoe the PB came up to me and asked if I wanted to be rated. "No, I am just cruising the strip, thanks, but all those cards are hard to keep track of." Then another PB came up to me and said: "We don't want your card." What? I didn't get it at first, so I asked him what he meant. "We don't want your card, and we don't want your action here. After all, we're running a business, sir."

I felt really dirty after that one. I hated it.

It turns out I was flyered by Griffin (according to a private source).

--Mayor
 
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Alexander Mundy

Member
Don't use a tracking card. I've been backed off 3 times and 86'd twice at the Peppermill in about 100 hrs of play. One backoff was between the barrings and I was in "disguise" (hat on backwards and sunglasses). The second barring was a few years after the first and they knew my real name, even tho I used a fake name without a players card. Just last week I was backed off at the Horizon (South Lake Tahoe) for the second time. The first time was over 4 years ago and they knew my real name - even tho I acted like I didn't know what or who he was talking about. I used a card at the Atlantis a few months after a backoff and they came down and backed me off again immediately. It's hard (impossible) to predict what will happen in any playing session, both in terms of results or in reaction to your play.
 
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