Bad news biloxi

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ramziabdbj

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Just a Heads up on Biloxi
Beau Rivage does not offer DD S17
Now all their tables are H17

This is a very sad moment for everyone who loved that place
 
Finn Dog

Finn Dog

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Ditto that. The H17 Cancer has spread not only to the Beau Rivage, but to the Hard Rock as well.

Earlier, the IP, Grand, Palace, and Island View were lost.

Hopefully, the average vacationing Ploppy will discover they're losing more and take their business elsewhere.

RIP Biloxi.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Finn Dog said:
Ditto that. The H17 Cancer has spread not only to the Beau Rivage, but to the Hard Rock as well.

Earlier, the IP, Grand, Palace, and Island View were lost.

Hopefully, the average vacationing Ploppy will discover they're losing more and take their business elsewhere.

RIP Biloxi.
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Yeah, they said the same thing back when they started hitting soft 17 in single deck.

Now it's impossible to make money playing single deck. :rolleyes:
 
Finn Dog

Finn Dog

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Automatic Monkey said:
Yeah, they said the same thing back when they started hitting soft 17 in single deck.

Now it's impossible to make money playing single deck. :rolleyes:
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I hear ya Monk, it's wishful thinking at best (of a passing era, unfortunately).

It's not like they're going to go back to S17 as soon as the economy turns around! (As the Ploppies will still come for "free" booze and the action.)
 
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Finn Dog

Finn Dog

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PS: perhaps the few area-remaining S17 stores will be wise, and not only keep S17 in order to lure business, but deal deeper into the shoe the way the Aladdin did (and thereby actually see their hold increase).

Perhaps not.
 
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NchooseK

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there are still a few casinos that have S17 in biloxi. I know the Isle does and i went to all of them, but i dont remember which other ones did too.
 
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tribute

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Finn Dog said:
PS: perhaps the few area-remaining S17 stores will be wise, and not only keep S17 in order to lure business, but deal deeper into the shoe the way the Aladdin did (and thereby actually see their hold increase).

Perhaps not.
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Does H17 really make that much of a difference to their profitability?
 
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tribute

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Well, to answer my own question, I suppose it does make a big difference. According to the basic strategy engine, from 0.2 % to 0.4%.
 
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Blue Efficacy

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tribute said:
Well, to answer my own question, I suppose it does make a big difference. According to the basic strategy engine, from 0.2 % to 0.4%.
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Makes a big difference for the basic strategy player, yes.

But for advantage player, they'll have most money out when the dealer is least likely to improve their ace-6.

Almost every game I play is H17. And somehow I still make money on them....

Oddly enough the S17 games I do play, more often than not when the dealer in fact has soft 17, it's with the 6 up and I have a stiff :laugh:
 
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steve waugh

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WIth Ace showing

With a 6 Showing and surplus aces remaining, you might actually have your big bets out and the Ace in the hole might kill you sometimes. But that is something we have to live with.


On a related note:

With an Ace showing, the dealer busts more often in a S17 game as opposed to H17. That is why the indices to stand are higher for e.g. in 15VA and 16VA in S17 games.

regards
Waugh
 
creeping panther

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Blue Efficacy said:
Makes a big difference for the basic strategy player, yes.

But for advantage player, they'll have most money out when the dealer is least likely to improve their ace-6.

Almost every game I play is H17. And somehow I still make money on them....

Oddly enough the S17 games I do play, more often than not when the dealer in fact has soft 17, it's with the 6 up and I have a stiff :laugh:
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A prime example of how quickly some will come to accept the h-17, which really is nothing less than a dagger against your throat!

CP
 
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Blue Efficacy

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creeping panther said:
A prime example of how quickly some will come to accept the h-17, which really is nothing less than a dagger against your throat!

CP
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I do accept it, yes. But not at negative counts in a shoe game.

I know the odds do not support this but in my personal play H17 has not been horribly detrimental.

Not all of us have access to S17 games anyway, so all we can do is deal with H17
 
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Nynefingers

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steve waugh said:
With an Ace showing, the dealer busts more often in a S17 game as opposed to H17.
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How can this possibly be true? The only difference is in what happens when a dealer gets a soft 17 (obviously). In the S17 game, it is clearly impossible for the dealer to bust a soft 17, while in an H17 game, it is clearly not impossible to bust with it. All other hands do not change. Therefore, the dealer must bust more often in the H17 game.
 
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Blue Efficacy

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Nynefingers said:
How can this possibly be true? The only difference is in what happens when a dealer gets a soft 17 (obviously). In the S17 game, it is clearly impossible for the dealer to bust a soft 17, while in an H17 game, it is clearly not impossible to bust with it. All other hands do not change. Therefore, the dealer must bust more often in the H17 game.
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I am thinking this must be a typo on waugh's part.
 
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