bankroll question

[p8ntballsk8r]

I'm wondering if there is a difference in expected return, and ROR with these scenarios.

Player A: has a $5k bankroll (unreplentishable), say this player brings all his BR with him, playing 5min tables, spreading $5-$50 in a good 6d game.

Player B: has a very small bankroll, brings $300 (60u) into the casino per trip, but will only go to the casino if he has this $300. So basically player B has a replentishable bankroll more or less. Playing on the same 5min tables with the same 5-50 spread in the same good 6d game.

Player C: has an even smaller bankroll. Brings $50 to the casino (only 10 units). Has a replentishable br just like player B. Playing on same 5min table, same spread, same game.

Also please comment on why these scenarios have that expected return. I feel like there are times when I'm hot, times when I'm not, and times when I'm at the expected outcome, or very close to it.

It seems to me that player C can only lose $50 per trip, and if he encounters a hot dealer, or a bad streak, his loses are cut. However player A or B could lose a substantial amount more.

And if the session is a winner, is it not true in most cases that all 3 players will win, reguardless of buy in?

I'm curious because the times I win, I usually have only used my original buy in, and reaching deeper into my wallet only seems to increase the amount I lose.

 

[EasyRhino]

One method I've heard of measuring replenishable bankrolls is take the total bankroll available over a lifetime, and bet proportionally to that.

So, let's assume that $5k bankroll guy is doing it in one shot.
$300 guy is willing to spend 16.6 installments.
$50 guy is willing to spend 100 installments.

So, theoretically, they'd all play with the same bets.

HOWEVER, either of the smaller bankrolls amounts could cause a problem as a trip bankroll. The reason is because the player has a substantial risk of busting out on that trip, and that would hurt their results some (not sure how much) because of the risk of running out of cash during high counts.

 

[sagefr0g]

I'm wondering if there is a difference in expected return, and ROR with these scenarios.

Player A: has a $5k bankroll (unreplentishable), say this player brings all his BR with him, playing 5min tables, spreading $5-$50 in a good 6d game.

Player B: has a very small bankroll, brings $300 (60u) into the casino per trip, but will only go to the casino if he has this $300. So basically player B has a replentishable bankroll more or less. Playing on the same 5min tables with the same 5-50 spread in the same good 6d game.

Player C: has an even smaller bankroll. Brings $50 to the casino (only 10 units). Has a replentishable br just like player B. Playing on same 5min table, same spread, same game.

Also please comment on why these scenarios have that expected return. I feel like there are times when I'm hot, times when I'm not, and times when I'm at the expected outcome, or very close to it.

It seems to me that player C can only lose $50 per trip, and if he encounters a hot dealer, or a bad streak, his loses are cut. However player A or B could lose a substantial amount more.

And if the session is a winner, is it not true in most cases that all 3 players will win, reguardless of buy in?

I'm curious because the times I win, I usually have only used my original buy in, and reaching deeper into my wallet only seems to increase the amount I lose.

the thing you are not addressing is that players A and B could win substantial amounts after having lost $50 (player C's buy in)

 

[positiveEV]

Players A and B could loose a few times in a row without going bust, Player C could not. Also, if you don't have enough money to double/split, your EV lowers down, and this will happen much more often with the Player C than the 2 others.

 

[bluewhale]

I'm wondering if there is a difference in expected return, and ROR with these scenarios.

Player A: has a $5k bankroll (unreplentishable), say this player brings all his BR with him, playing 5min tables, spreading $5-$50 in a good 6d game.

Player B: has a very small bankroll, brings $300 (60u) into the casino per trip, but will only go to the casino if he has this $300. So basically player B has a replentishable bankroll more or less. Playing on the same 5min tables with the same 5-50 spread in the same good 6d game.

Player C: has an even smaller bankroll. Brings $50 to the casino (only 10 units). Has a replentishable br just like player B. Playing on same 5min table, same spread, same game.

Also please comment on why these scenarios have that expected return. I feel like there are times when I'm hot, times when I'm not, and times when I'm at the expected outcome, or very close to it.

It seems to me that player C can only lose $50 per trip, and if he encounters a hot dealer, or a bad streak, his loses are cut. However player A or B could lose a substantial amount more.

And if the session is a winner, is it not true in most cases that all 3 players will win, reguardless of buy in?

I'm curious because the times I win, I usually have only used my original buy in, and reaching deeper into my wallet only seems to increase the amount I lose.

if you are planning on going to a casino with 50 bucks, dont! this is what will happen, the count will go up to 4, you'll have 40 bucks left, you'll bet it all, you'll get 2 aces, you'll cry and then finally remember my post :cry:

 

[Tom007]

I'm wondering if there is a difference in expected return, and ROR with these scenarios.

Player A: has a $5k bankroll (unreplentishable), say this player brings all his BR with him, playing 5min tables, spreading $5-$50 in a good 6d game.

Player B: has a very small bankroll, brings $300 (60u) into the casino per trip, but will only go to the casino if he has this $300. So basically player B has a replentishable bankroll more or less. Playing on the same 5min tables with the same 5-50 spread in the same good 6d game.

Player C: has an even smaller bankroll. Brings $50 to the casino (only 10 units). Has a replentishable br just like player B. Playing on same 5min table, same spread, same game.

Also please comment on why these scenarios have that expected return. I feel like there are times when I'm hot, times when I'm not, and times when I'm at the expected outcome, or very close to it.

It seems to me that player C can only lose $50 per trip, and if he encounters a hot dealer, or a bad streak, his loses are cut. However player A or B could lose a substantial amount more.

And if the session is a winner, is it not true in most cases that all 3 players will win, reguardless of buy in?

I'm curious because the times I win, I usually have only used my original buy in, and reaching deeper into my wallet only seems to increase the amount I lose.

This is exactly how things work out for me as well. Almost all my wins are from my $60 buy in from my $300 session br. When the cards are not falling right I just keep losing until I have lost the whole $300 or my emotions kick in and say get out. I wonder if on those times I would have made a comeback?

 

[EasyRhino]

When the count's high, keep playing until the money's gone or security drags you out.

My own quickest rubberbanding bankroll moment was this weekend in Vegas. lost almost $800 in 6 hands. This was betting 2x$75. And the count was so high that I would have kept going into my wallet for the $1200 or so that I still had to follow it. Only after the end of the shuffle would I collapse into a fit of tears.

Fortunately, I won that money back before the end of the shoe.

 

[Tom007]

Thanks EasyRhino, great story considering I am going to Vegas for 4 nights in May, and have been waiting to go back for 2 years. Any tips on where to play would be great. I plan on moving around a lot from casino to casino, as I will be alone. I'm not the greatest on how to evaluate a good game according to all the rules variations. I haven't acquired this skill because I only play the same casino 3 miles from my home all the time.(with no heat) actually a dealer told me that because its government owned they can't back you off for counting.Thats why I plan to move around a lot in Vegas, I haven't worked on my act or cover at all.

cheers

Tom