BANNED

[john]

It happened.

On my last trip, I got banned. It is my first. I won't say where but it caught me by surprise. I guess I have just been aggressive as hell and well, it paid off. In my first month as a green chipper, I made almost 10,000 dollars. I made half of my brother's yearly salary in one month. I can tell you, it left my brother in awe since he doesn't believe that one can play blackjack well enough to make money at it.

The ban actually made me upset, and I didn't play the rest of the trip.

This last trip, this week, I made about 96 green units.

I only played 2 days this week because partly of burn-out and the ban thing. The first night I was down 40 units. The next day, I woke up late at about 3 pm and immediately went to work hitting the tables hard. After one hour on the tables, I was now up 80 units which meant, overall, I was up roughly 40 units. Moved on to another one and made about another 50 units. Took a long mid-day break, then very late at night gave it another go, that is when I got banned. I think I know why it happened, but if anyone else wants to describe why they were banned, it may help me.

Negatives on this trip I would have to say was the ban and getting a flat tire on the way home. Oh yeah, the motel manager shut the electricity off to the air-conditioning. It doesn't go below 75 degrees at night so I was sweating my ass off. I guess they have the power to control certain outlets while leaving the others alone. Also, everyday at the motel, I was inhaling the paint fumes coming from the remodeling of the room next door. This was the worst motel I have ever been in.

I'm taking a week off to re-evaluate my play. I was getting away with what I would call, "murder" on the tables. I just wonder if someone is going to stop me at the door at some of these places.

Sorry I missed the "toke" thread, but I sure did a lot of it on this trip. I am getting very liberal with the tips.

 

[Tom]

Did you use a players card?

I very rarely ever use one. Once you're in the system and pegged,you're screwed. Playing on different shifts,days,months,etc. is useless. I know some will say but getting a card is essential for comps,ev,demeanor and so forth,but I'd rather rather keep them puzzled. They might have my number,but they certainly dont have my name.

 

[revereman]

Congrats on your good streak and condolences on the banning.
You march right back to the casino and demand that you get paid for the time you spent at the tables (including pension benefits) because you were good for the casino. After all, you showed other people that winning was possible, you probably opened up some closed tables after a hot dealer beat everyone else, you tipped away some of your hard-earned money, and you made their employees and other players happy by providing a pleasant atmosphere.
I remember my first banning very well. On one hand, I was really pissed but on the other hand, it helped validate that I was playing a winning game. Welcome to the read world of winning BJ. It is truly a roller coaster.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Revereman is right if you are a threat to the casino you will have encounters like that. Think of it as like being a football player getting penalties; you don't want to get too many penalties, but if you never get any, you're not playing aggressively enough.

I'm curious, what form of ban was it? Were you told to play any game but blackjack (the standard), told to leave the premises and never return under threat of arrest, thrown out bodily, etc.?

 

[The Mayor]

In search of an alternative metaphor

Revereman said: "It is truly a roller coaster."

For years I have tried to think of other decent metaphors, and none seem quite as well suited...

"It is truly like surfing a big wave"

"It is truly like the weather"

Any ideas? It could greatly help improve upcomming and future blackjack literature.

--Mayor

 

[Abraham de Moivre]

Re: In search of an alternative metaphor

Revereman said: "It is truly a roller coaster."

For years I have tried to think of other decent metaphors, and none seem quite as well suited...

"It is truly like surfing a big wave"

"It is truly like the weather"

Any ideas? It could greatly help improve upcomming and future blackjack literature.

--Mayor

"It is truly like the moods of my ex-girlfriend."

 

[ladykiller]

Here's a good story. About 1 year ago last summer when my friends and I just started playing, we worshiped the "Bringing Down the House" book. I would big play and ONLY play good counts. We had no idea of ROR and were using a WAY TOO HIGH BU with 150 dollars and would spread to 3 hands, sometimes 4 if allowed. We were at a big casino in Vegas and was a few k when I gave the signal to leave. My friend who was also big playing said no. I had a bad feeling that we had overstayed our welcome. Well I get a call in, TC is +3 with 4 decks left. Sweet. Wrong! In the middle of the shoe, 15 security guards and PC's with suits ran out and started picking off everyone of my spotters and gave us the whole "You've offically been read the trespass act, blah blah blah." THey backroomed one of my friends who wasn't 21 with a fake id, but they didn't notice. Did the whole up against the whole, humiliation bit. They tried to do it to me, but I told them where to go and got the hell out of there. SInce then, I'm happy to say I haven't been kicked out of a single casino. (Thanks to having 4 different fake ids).

I can't wait until facial recognitioning gets better.

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Alternative Metaphor

"up and down like the shithouse seat!"

 

[john]

They told me I couldn't play table games there anymore. I wasn't read the trespass act, though.

I was tipping the dealer. Guess what, I think the dealer did me in.

 

[john]

didn't use a players card.

 

[revereman]

I guess anything is possible, and you know the circumstances better than anyone, but the dealer turning you in if you were tipping him sure seems counterintuitive. Since you seemed to be winning alot, and I think you said in your original post that you were being pretty aggressive, the chances are they were watching you. Unless you have a great act and use alot of cover, it's really not that hard for the pit or eye to identify a counter once they are a suspect.

 

[learning to count]

The casino did you in. They were watching you win! Who gives a hoot if the dealer was tipped or not. Remember if a dealer is losing the casino will get rid of him to. Congrats on your success. Wait six months and they wont even know you! Tipping hurts the EV!

 

[rocky]

Banned from BJ is one thing..."you're welcome to play any other table game, slots, race & sports book, etc." That's the mild one. Being read the trespass act(NRS 203.200) is a lot more serious. It means the hotel/casino HAS to document the incident with A) your photo for ID purposes and B) a written incidence report for security/surveillance. Why? Because if you do return, then they have the right to call METRO and you will be cited for the first offense. Return again and you might be hauled off to the Clark County Dention Center(CCDC) which is a lovely place...some very fine citizens of Clark County can be found there. Ignore the court date and you'll be looking at a bench warrant which automatically upgrades your common misdemeanor into the felony atmosphere. Don't even think about using your fake ID when being cited by METRO, they will spot that in a second and then you'll be taking a trip to CCDC for sure and will be held until you fingerprints are verified via NCIC(National Crime Information Center...i.e. FBI).NEVER let them backroom you...never argue or protest...Nevada law gives the casino the right to decline service but for specific reasons...no ID, suspicion of underage gambling, intoxication(believe it or not!!!)...NRS also gives casino and it's employees right to "detain" people if they suspect "cheating" activity...they cannot throw you out if you're winning(see United States vs. Lester "Benny" Binion, Horseshoe Casino, et al). As to the cutting electric power to the air conditioner...why not just ask to move to another room? If not available...then why not move to another hotel/motel? Why stay in a 75 degree room and sweat? By the way, if you get 86"d via NRS 203.200, you can count on your picture being circulated via the Surveillance Information Network(SIN) to all other casinos with the query of "anyone know this player and have dealings with him?" Brother, you have just been MADE.

 

[Dog Hand]

Last Trip: "An elevator with a broken cable!"

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Re: In search of an alternative metaphor

(with apologies in advance to the ladies)

It's just like your pecker. Sometimes you have a huge hard-on that never goes away and it embarrasses you, sometimes you can't get it up to save your life, and there is no apparent causal relationship between this fact and objective reality. A little drinking can be a helpful part of your act, but drink too much and it is useless. It can really make you feel good, but get hit hard there and nothing feels worse. And you're glad you discovered it, but getting too obsessed with it can land you in trouble.

 

[ladykiller]

You're going overboard a bit. I've been read the trespass act at a major casino in vegas. I've played at that casino's conglomerate chain many many times under different id's and everytime, things are cool. I know I'm in sin, but you have to be a moron to not be able to notice when the PC's think something's up and start making calls. Be smart, don't stay in a place for too long, and blend in. Just because you get caught once, doesn't mean it's all over.

 

[Tom]

Very interesting how you've been 86'ed at this casino and keep returning, yet nobody has recognized(or remembers you) as being pegged. I would say you've been very lucky. Many casinos I play at would know who I am and using fake IDs would be useless.