Basic strategy for these rules please

[dacium]

-8 deck
-double only on 9,10,11
-may only split once
-no surrender
-blackjack pays 3:2

I haven't found one that allows you to select 'only split once'.
I have done some math/simulations and it has a big effect for example its not werth splitting 8's against a 10 if you can't split more than once (as far as my simulations/calcs showed).

Thanks for any help. I am pretty new to black jack but I tried to card count and doubled my bets when I thought it was rich in 10's. I played for about 7 hours and won $290 on a 10$ table, but I think I was pretty lucky.

 

[Mikeaber]

You should be able to derive the edge decrease for splitting only one time by increasing it (in the house favor) by .03%. It's not a huge impact on your table rules. The Wizzard of Odds states the rule as .01% in the house favor rather than the .03% I quoted from a Mensa guide.

As for your "luck", I think maybe you did experience just a bit of it. With a bet spread of only 1:2 on an 8-deck shoe, you were not giving yourself enough of a spread. When I play 6-deck, I spread at least 1:10.

-8 deck
-double only on 9,10,11
-may only split once
-no surrender
-blackjack pays 3:2

I haven't found one that allows you to select 'only split once'.
I have done some math/simulations and it has a big effect for example its not werth splitting 8's against a 10 if you can't split more than once (as far as my simulations/calcs showed).

Thanks for any help. I am pretty new to black jack but I tried to card count and doubled my bets when I thought it was rich in 10's. I played for about 7 hours and won $290 on a 10$ table, but I think I was pretty lucky.

 

[KenSmith]

I haven't found one that allows you to select 'only split once'.
I have done some math/simulations and it has a big effect for example its not werth splitting 8's against a 10 if you can't split more than once (as far as my simulations/calcs showed).

Something is wrong with your calculations. Whether resplitting is allowed has no effect on basic strategy. Yes, splitting eights is worth less if no resplitting is allowed, but the effect is small enough to not change the correct decision.

 

[MGP]

The TD-EV for this game is: -0.58%

The strategy does NOT change as Ken pointed out becuase it is SPL1. The strategy on this site is correct (see the strategy engine off the main page).

 

[zengrifter]

You should be able to derive the edge decrease for splitting only one time by increasing it (in the house favor) by .03%. It's not a huge impact on your table rules. The Wizzard of Odds states the rule as .01% in the house favor rather than the .03% I quoted from a Mensa guide.

As for your "luck", I think maybe you did experience just a bit of it. With a bet spread of only 1:2 on an 8-deck shoe, you were not giving yourself enough of a spread. When I play 6-deck, I spread at least 1:10.

'Split-once' does NOT increase the housEdge noticeably. 1-10 spread is wholly insufficient in 6D without avoiding neg AND neutral counts. zg

 

[Mikeaber]

'Split-once' does NOT increase the housEdge noticeably. 1-10 spread is wholly insufficient in 6D without avoiding neg AND neutral counts. zg

Gimme a break ZG...I'm working on a decent BR :laugh: I'm building my skill level and building my confidence as well as the BR. And, I'm doing about a thousand percent better than when playing as a ploppie! And, for an old Fart, I'm having a blast. I wasn't sure I'd get this far with counting (ability to concentrate ain't what it used to be!)

 

[Doc]

1-10 spread is wholly insufficient in 6D without avoiding neg AND neutral counts. zg

I normally play 6D with a 1-10 spread. During my last session, I changed to a 1-2x8 spread. I use KO preferred. What kind of a spread would you recommend? Thanks in advance.

 

[zengrifter]

I normally play 6D with a 1-10 spread. During my last session, I changed to a 1-2x8 spread. I use KO preferred. What kind of a spread would you recommend? Thanks in advance.

Thats ok, BUT you still need to exit neg-counts religiously... and if you do you can even use a smaller spread. IF YOU DON'T exit neg-counts and play all counts instead, then you need 1-2x20. zg

 

[ScottH]

Thats ok, BUT you still need to exit neg-counts religiously... and if you do you can even use a smaller spread. IF YOU DON'T exit neg-counts and play all counts instead, then you need 1-2x20. zg

1-2X20 would require a pretty big bankroll. Either avoid negative counts or find a better game!

 

[dacium]

Are you guys sure that not splitting doesnt change the basic strat?

I did simulations of 100 million hands and definatly lose alot more standing on 88 than splitting it against a 10 card if I could only split once. From what I could see the main point of spliting is that 16 is such a bad number and there is a chance you can get a 3 to make 11 and double. But with only spliting once the chance of get another 8 again seems to nullify this. Unfortuently I left the results at work but I'll post them tomorrow. It was VERY insignificant but enough to change 88 from split to hit against a ten.

 

[ScottH]

Are you guys sure that not splitting doesnt change the basic strat?

I did simulations of 100 million hands and definatly lose alot more standing on 88 than splitting it against a 10 card if I could only split once. From what I could see the main point of spliting is that 16 is such a bad number and there is a chance you can get a 3 to make 11 and double. But with only spliting once the chance of get another 8 again seems to nullify this. Unfortuently I left the results at work but I'll post them tomorrow. It was VERY insignificant but enough to change 88 from split to hit against a ten.

The point of splitting 88 against a dealer ten is to take a really bad hand, and convert it into two potentially decent hands. I'm pretty sure you still split them even if you can't resplit.

 

[zengrifter]

1-2X20 would require a pretty big bankroll. Either avoid negative counts or find a better game!

$5-2x$100, but regardless of the minimum, spread is always calc'd from the top down. zg

 

[ScottH]

$5-2x$100, but regardless of the minimum, spread is always calc'd from the top down. zg

I'm just estimating (I dont have BJ Risk Mangager yet!), but that spread would require about 15,000 for a good sized ROR. Instead of coming up with 15k for that marginal game, you could use that 15k to spread green chips in a better 2-deck game! The EV would be higher, and I think the ROR would even be lower, or close to the same. Then you could spread something like 25-150, or 25-2x100.

 

[E-town-guy]

Are you guys sure that not splitting doesnt change the basic strat?

I did simulations of 100 million hands and definatly lose alot more standing on 88 than splitting it against a 10 card if I could only split once.

If you don't split 88 then the next best thing is to hit not stand against a 10.

 

[dacium]

Yes thats what I meant. If you can only split once then best thing to do with 88 was hit, next best was split, worst was stand. If you can split multiple times then best was split 88, next was hit, last was stand.

 

[MGP]

If you can only split once then best thing to do with 88 was hit, next best was split

This is just wrong. I'm not sure why you're still insisting this. The strategy is still to split.

 

[E-town-guy]

I also don't understand why you wouldn't split 8/8 if you can only split once. The majority of online casinos for bonuses allow you to only split once yet the correct strategy is still to split 8/8s in all cases.

 

[dacium]

I disagree. Does anyone have any actual sources for tables that are worked out for only split once rule. because there don't seem to be any.

 

[ScottH]

I disagree. Does anyone have any actual sources for tables that are worked out for only split once rule. because there don't seem to be any.

What reason would you have to disagree? BS says to split 8's, so that's the best move! Not being able to re-split will not change that.

 

[MGP]

I disagree. Does anyone have any actual sources for tables that are worked out for only split once rule. because there don't seem to be any.

My CA which calculates the values exactly is my source and I'm sorry but your sim is wrong. I'm not sure why you're insisting and I'm not sure what else to tell you. If you don't believe it then don't - but you are wrong.