Basic Strategy Mistakes

[Harry1941]

I am Practicing high and low right now. I play both dealer and players. three players. I use casino chips to keep the count. The white chips, which are the $1.00 =+1 and the red chips = -1. I am in first place.10-10/ 10-7 /4-A-6
x-8<---Dealer
Ans-3
The dealer's down card is a 10.
Here what I did, I stand on 20, surrender 17, and hit soft 15 and got a 6. The the one I like the most is surrending 17 against the 18 .I turn over the dealer's down card, and lo and behold an 18. I was right in surrendering the 17. I like to count cards in a casino with other players, I don't bet big. If I win $4,000, I go home. If Im counting with another counter, I would not put up the same amount as his. I would be put him or her at rick with the casino by betting big.

Harry

 

[ycming]

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[ycming]

What was the count on when you SR 17 vs 18? And what is the index play for that ?

And why you like it?

Thanks
Ming

 

[johndoe]

I am Practicing high and low right now. I play both dealer and players. three players. I use casino chips to keep the count. The white chips, which are the $1.00 =+1 and the red chips = -1. I am in first place.10-10/ 10-7 /4-A-6
x-8<---Dealer
Ans-3
The dealer's down card is a 10.
Here what I did, I stand on 20, surrender 17, and hit soft 15 and got a 6. The the one I like the most is surrending 17 against the 18 .I turn over the dealer's down card, and lo and behold an 18. I was right in surrendering the 17. I like to count cards in a casino with other players, I don't bet big. If I win $4,000, I go home. If Im counting with another counter, I would not put up the same amount as his. I would be put him or her at rick with the casino by betting big.

Harry

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You really have no idea what you're doing, I'd recommend reading a few of the books cited on this site, then revisit the game. Until then, stop playing, as you're doing nothing more than gambling, and not very well, at that.

 

[ycming]

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You really have no idea what you're doing, I'd recommend reading a few of the books cited on this site, then revisit the game. Until then, stop playing, as you're doing nothing more than gambling, and not very well, at that.

i agree with u

ming

 

[Harry1941]

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You really have no idea what you're doing, I'd recommend reading a few of the books cited on this site, then revisit the game. Until then, stop playing, as you're doing nothing more than gambling, and not very well, at that.

I know what I am doing. I know BS. What is beyond BS,is what counts. I been studying a blackjack book written by Fred Renzey called "Blackjack Bluebook II". In the 45 rule,you hit the 16 against the dealer's 10, if it contain no 4's or 5's. If I am sitting at a blackjack table with 3 other players, and they all had 20, two 10's each, and I had 13, and the dealer had 2 up. I would hit, because of the amount of 10's on the table. Seven 10's and two low cards. 5 more 10's than babies,hit.5 more babies than 10's stand. If it is even, hit. I split pair of 5's against the 5 and 6. I also split a pair of 9's against the 7.

Harry

 

[johndoe]

I know what I am doing. I know BS. What is beyond BS,is what counts. I been studying a blackjack book written by Fred Renzey called "Blackjack Bluebook II". In the 45 rule,you hit the 16 against the dealer's 10, if it contain no 4's or 5's. If I am sitting at a blackjack table with 3 other players, and they all had 20, two 10's each, and I had 13, and the dealer had 2 up. I would hit, because of the amount of 10's on the table. Seven 10's and two low cards. 5 more 10's than babies,hit.5 more babies than 10's stand. If it is even, hit. I split pair of 5's against the 5 and 6. I also split a pair of 9's against the 7.

Harry

You're also keeping your count with chips, which is awfully dumb. If you weren't playing so poorly they would probably toss you.

And splitting fives vs 5-6? And 9-9vs7? Do you do this all the time? If not, what is your rationale for doing so?

How many decks are you playing with?

 

[Harry1941]

You're also keeping your count with chips, which is awfully dumb. If you weren't playing so poorly they would probably toss you.

And splitting fives vs 5-6? And 9-9vs7? Do you do this all the time? If not, what is your rationale for doing so?

How many decks are you playing with?

I split 9-9 against the 7 if the count is high, and also split the 5-5 against the 5 and 6 for the same reason. The casino will not pay any attention to me if I am betting conservative, and moving my chips with the count. The highest I would bet is $200. I'll stay with speed counting, because it doesn't make me look like a card counter. Speed counting uses the small mumbers,2-6.I practive with 6 decks. The count starts at 27.At 31 I up my bet. I don't need to up my bet at 31. I can up my bet at 40. Ever hear of the saying, good things come to those who wait.With this counting system you must wait, and then make your move.

I also double down on 8 against the 6, when the count is high.

Harry
Go Jets

 

[InPlay]

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You really have no idea what you're doing, I'd recommend reading a few of the books cited on this site, then revisit the game. Until then, stop playing, as you're doing nothing more than gambling, and not very well, at that.

I am glad you said it. I could say a whole lot more but then I probally would get a time out. I hope you get the idea. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[johndoe]

I split 9-9 against the 7 if the count is high, and also split the 5-5 against the 5 and 6 for the same reason. The casino will not pay any attention to me if I am betting conservative, and moving my chips with the count. The highest I would bet is $200. I'll stay with speed counting, because it doesn't make me look like a card counter. Speed counting uses the small mumbers,2-6.I practive with 6 decks. The count starts at 27.At 31 I up my bet. I don't need to up my bet at 31. I can up my bet at 40. Ever hear of the saying, good things come to those who wait.With this counting system you must wait, and then make your move.

I also double down on 8 against the 6, when the count is high.

Harry
Go Jets

They are letting you get away with this because you're almost certainly playing a losing game.

Splitting 9-9 vs 7 and doubling 8vs6 are well known (but not particularly valuable) indicies, but I see no evidence you have any objective criteria for making this decision.

However, there is no acceptable index for splitting 5's. Doing this is always the wrong play, and will cost you dearly in EV.

And surrendering a 17 vs 18? Also incredibly foolish, unless you got a glimpse of the hole card.

This is some of the worst playing I've ever heard of.

 

[Harry1941]

You're also keeping your count with chips, which is awfully dumb. If you weren't playing so poorly they would probably toss you.

And splitting fives vs 5-6? And 9-9vs7? Do you do this all the time? If not, what is your rationale for doing so?

How many decks are you playing with?

I am using 6 decks. What's wrong with spliting 5-5 when the dealer has 5 or 6. You make more money than if you double down. You don't see the logic in it?. I agree with you when it comes to surrending 18. I will surrender a 17, when the dealer has 9,10 and ace. Here's how it can be proven. Put down a 10 and 7,which is 17, and for the dealer put down 10 and card in the hole,like this 10 X. Turn over the hole card, and see if it beats your 17. The rest of the deck you use as you hole card. Put one card at a time face up next to the dealer's 10. if it is an 8 the dealer wins, if it is a 7, than it is a push. You will see how many times you win, how many times you lose, and many times you push. You will see that the dealer will win more times than the player, if the player stand on 17 when the dealer has 10.

Harry

 

[Sonny]

What's wrong with spliting 5-5 when the dealer has 5 or 6. You make more money than if you double down.

Nope. Splitting 5,5 vs. 6 will only earn you 10.11% of your bet compared to a hefty 58.75% if you double. Against a dealer 5 you will only win 1.41% instead of 53.97%. Between those two plays you are giving up more than 101% of your bet.

Why would you want two hands of a weak total instead of twice as much money on a hand with a strong total? It doesn’t make any sense.

I will surrender a 17, when the dealer has 9,10 and ace.

Also very bad advice. You are giving up a lot of money by making these mistakes.

-Sonny-

 

[shadroch]

I will surrender a 17, when the dealer has 9,10 and ace. Here's how it can be proven. Put down a 10 and 7,which is 17, and for the dealer put down 10 and card in the hole,like this 10 X. Turn over the hole card, and see if it beats your 17. The rest of the deck you use as you hole card. Put one card at a time face up next to the dealer's 10. if it is an 8 the dealer wins, if it is a 7, than it is a push. You will see how many times you win, how many times you lose, and many times you push. You will see that the dealer will win more times than the player, if the player stand on 17 when the dealer has 10.

Harry

Your experiment is flawed. Yes,the dealer will win more hands than the player, but the player will lose less money by playing than by surrendering.

Repeat your experiment, only this time use two chips per hand as a bet. When you win,a hand you get to keep your two chips plus you win two more. When you lose, you lose two chips, when you push -nothing is lost or gained.
At the end of the deck, you'll have more chips by standing than you would by surrendering. You only want to surrender hands that the dealer is better than a 2-1 favorite to win. 17vs10 is not one of them.

 

[blackjackstudent]

Harry1941, are you still studying John Patrick's BS about splitting 5s? John Patrick is a fraud - forget him. You should really surrender 17 vs an Ace in a H17 game but stand 17 against Ace in a S17 game because with H17 game, the dealer has a chance to improve his total of 17.

 

[Harry1941]

Nope. Splitting 5,5 vs. 6 will only earn you 10.11% of your bet compared to a hefty 58.75% if you double. Against a dealer 5 you will only win 1.41% instead of 53.97%. Between those two plays you are giving up more than 101% of your bet.

Why would you want two hands of a weak total instead of twice as much money on a hand with a strong total? It doesn’t make any sense.



Also very bad advice. You are giving up a lot of money by making these mistakes.

-Sonny-

The count has to be high in order to split two 9's when the dealer has a 7.when the count in high, there would be lots of 10's and aces,so therefore if one 9 gets a 10 and other 9 get an ace, you got it made in the shade. I would not split a pair of 9's against the 7, when the count it low. I would not double and split when the count is -4. I would hit up to the 17 and stop.
I don't like using hi and lo at a full table, at a table with three people, yes I would use it. I use the speed counting when tables are full. I learn to count as I play blackjack by myself. I count each card as it comes out of the shoe.

Harry

 

[sabre]

I would not double and split when the count is -4. I would hit up to the 17 and stop.

Well, then you hate money. There are lots of profitable doubles and splits at TC -4.

I don't like using hi and lo at a full table, at a table with three people, yes I would use it. I use the speed counting when tables are full.

Do whatever makes you happy, because you aren't a profitable player, and probably never will be one. People interested in being profitable players wouldn't switch to a vastly inferior count due to the addition of one player to the table.

 

[daniel27]

counts?

sorry but, you use 2 differents counts ?? what do you mean with speed count? kiss??

 

[Harry1941]

Well, then you hate money. There are lots of profitable doubles and splits at TC -4.



Do whatever makes you happy, because you aren't a profitable player, and probably never will be one. People interested in being profitable players wouldn't switch to a vastly inferior count due to the addition of one player to the table.

I practive blackjack every day, and when the count is low, I get babies on my doubles and splits. When the count is high you get 10's on your doubles and blackjack. 10's and aces are good for the player.Low cards are good for the dealer. Many times when the count was low I double on 11 when the dealer has 5 or 6, and got an A or a 2. If you don't like the card, it's too bad.You're up **** creek after the dealer beats you, when 5 is added to his 16.As long as he reaches 17, he's got me beating.

Harry
Last Sunday lost to NO, the Jets were up **** creek.

 

[johndoe]

I practive blackjack every day, and when the count is low, I get babies on my doubles and splits. When the count is high you get 10's on your doubles and blackjack. 10's and aces are good for the player.Low cards are good for the dealer. Many times when the count was low I double on 11 when the dealer has 5 or 6, and got an A or a 2. If you don't like the card, it's too bad.You're up **** creek after the dealer beats you, when 5 is added to his 16.As long as he reaches 17, he's got me beating.

Harry

If you're practicing every day, you really should take the time to learn to play correctly. Your personal observations of a few hands is meaningless; you really need to simulate many more rounds to draw meaningful conclusions.

I agree with the others that you are definitely playing a losing strategy; the mathematics is unambiguous.

 

[shadroch]

Please take the time to read Harrys other post before you bother responding to him.
On September 23rd, he was using a John Patrick DVD as his guide, then he learned speed counting. Next he used Renzeys system and now he switchs from hi-lo to speed counting.
I'd wager a nickle his next visit to a casino will be his first, and another nickle that he has yet to celebrate his 18th birthday.