Battling Pirates of the Caribbean

learning to count

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Ship: Navigator Of the Seas RCL
Cruise: Seven days eastern Caribbean
Time: Recently
Win/loss: +120 units profit
Trip High: 240 units over BR
Trip lows: 40 units profit over bankroll; Never went below BR entire trip.

Game: Six decks 1 to 2 deck cuts; double on any two cards; das, except split aces three times recieve one card and no couble after split aces; Split three times any other pair; play up to two hands minimum bet to max. min/max bet 5-100 (wheel of madness) or 10-200 on other tables. 8 Tables of BJ.

*CAUTION*: Cards are always in the shoe, never new, and never checked and washed in front of players. I ASKED TO VIEW THE CARDS AND WAS SOUNDLY REFUSED. Many times I had high continuing plus counts +9 to +15 rc's up to the cut card and lost up to 10 times in a row. SD at its worst???? I was suspicious!

Play strategy: Strict Wonging and entering at average TC of plus three. Played two hands at advantage TC's. This was due the way the count ended up before the next deal.

Bad: Crowded drunk ploppy conditions at night. Min/Max bets allowed low but can be overcome by playing two hands. Dealers made many mispays and misreads of card totals(worked both ways for thecasino and me). Dealers spoke pigeon english to excellent english. No heat at all. Recieved bad stares when banged out two $75 dollar bets and recieved BJ back to back. Wonging can be tedious and boring.

Good: No heat. Dealers are below vegas average intelligence. Ask to see burn card and most dealers will show it. A couple of dealers flipped bottmom card and showed it and continued to play it. Survelliance is non existant. I found two dealer front loading situations and took advantage.

Over all oppinion: Good game for moderate EV. Definite Wonging enviroment. I played average of three hours a day. Worth playing.

Sites: Drunk ploppies and one guy won over six thousand at craps!
 

Adam N. Subtractum

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Thanks for the report LTC...

...sounds like very profitable games, as long as its on the level. How many PC's were present in the pit?

ANS
 

learning to count

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Re: Thanks for the report LTC...

The first few days everything was normal. The middle part of the trip was very disturbing. I had beautiful counts and I kept losing. I would have 20, 19 even twentone after a double the dealer was beating me with small card twenties and twenty ones. I was suspicious especially after losing 600 after two shoes; small and large bets. I kept losing. They brought out the shoes from the back and never washed them or changed decks. The decks were visibly bent and even saw a few cards with creases in them. The last couple of days I kicked ass and ended with a 600+ win. I was playing red. Average bet was two hands of 25. All in all I think it was legit. I think a good team good kick the casinos butts. Eventually I am going to write a report of cruise ship casinos. I feel a lot of money could be made here. The only problem this trip cost averages around 1000 a person for seven days. I won big the first night due to being aggressive in my betting two hands up to 100-150. I was on a roll. The mid week killed me and made me paranoid. After that I was consrvative with hig bets at two at 75 dollars. I won consistantly but I should have bet aggressively. I could have won more. Live and learn I always say and be conservative. I see alot of Ap's over bet when winning and end up getting thier butts kicked. LTC PS This would be a great CC.COM get together cruise party? Any thoughts???
 

The Mayor

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Re: Thanks for the report LTC...

At $1000/person, I doubt this game has an edge at all. If you include tipping (a must on cruise ships) your expenses may be $1200 or more. If you want to get back to even at the tables, you are looking at about 20-30 hours of play at your levels.

I think the day cruises are where the money is at -- Mr. Lucky over at bj21.com made 100k his first year attacking those (spreading up to 2 hands of $500 each without heat).

But, if you enjoyed your vacation, well, that's another story.

--Mayor
 

learning to count

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Re: Thanks for the report LTC...

True. The EV on this trip will not support a profit to overcome expenses. But with a team effort I think some profit can be achieved to offset or maybe even break even. You would definitely have to invest some time and effort to do so. Then there is the element of suspicion of cheating that I still dwell upon by the casino. The benifits are that the cruise is fantastic and can be had at times for under 100 dollars a day and if you watch out for the alcoholic beverages and sodas you will keep expenses down. I would not suggest this to anyone looking to earn money from thats for sure. I would suggest this to those who want a great vacation and want to be pampered and gamble.
 

The Mayor

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Re: Thanks for the report LTC...

How would a team make this any better? I am not sure if I understand. Each still has to pay the $1000 to get on board. The only benefit would be a combined bankroll and a quicker trip to the illusive "long run" -- but the expenses are still huge and if you go to the trouble to put together a team you trust, the games in LV are still ripe for the picking -- and free!

A great vacation, with some fun BJ on the side. That's what you get. I might like to do that some day :cool:

--Mayor
 

learning to count

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Re: Thanks for the report LTC...

You are right mayor I too do not see any real profit here but I do see a great time for all! When are we all going?????? : ) LTC
 
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