Becoming a blackjack "snob"

brandone

Active Member
Tonight while back-counting at a local casino, my fists were clenched in anger. An obnoxious prick sat at first base, switching up his bet spots (taking one woman's blackjack numerous times while laughing at her) between first base and the third betting spot, jumping between his and the one next to his friend. He would curse loudly and beat the table when the dealer pulled a 21 from a seemingly "impossible odds" of small cards, yelling in my direction as I was behind him, "Why does that always !@#$ing happen like that!?".

No, I'm not digressing. There is a point. This oaf would sit there and seem to almost "concentrate" on a decision to hit a stiff 16 versus a ten; stand on 13 against a 9; hit 17 against an ace; all while taking well over 20 to 25 seconds to make his decision drastically slowing down the progression of play at this table. As his chips dwindled he started to call the dealer names and wanted to know if she got commission when he lost.

Now I don't know if I'm becoming a "snob" in blackjack or not, but if that means being severely annoyed and looking down on those that think they're playing chess against IBM's "Big Blue" anytime a "tough" (or even simple) hand comes into play, then I wear the badge with honor.

I want to sit there and lecture, while stomping their playing motion hand into the carpet, people who make seemingly random moves. You would almost think they were sitting there playing camoflage on EVERY hand! People who try to use their supreme mental acuity to choose a hit on a 17 against a 5. You know the look. They look at their cards, bite their lip, stare down the dealer, look around the table, and grudgingly motion their decision, almost in such a way as to say 'maybe'. Those that ask to split an 8 and a 6. Those who don't split 8s against a 6. Those who double down on 13 against a 10 on one hand and then stick on 12 against a 10 on the next. Those that throw their double down or split chips on top of the current bet and touch the cards to split them.

Is anyone else severely annoyed by all this? I've been playing basic strategy for the past six years, played blackjack in general for ten, and have been doing a variety of counting for one. It didn't seem to annoy me until recently. Sure I'd get a chuckle and privately call the baffoon a moron or give them a sideways dirty look, but never to the point where I want to smack them.

Is it just me?
 

UK-21

Well-Known Member
It's just you. Chill out and enjoy, and don't waste any time fretting over what would have been the result if . . . .

The majority of people you share a table with will make poor decisions, but remember it's their money, they can play with it how they wish and as the WoO says on his web site, " . . . . don't take from their experience".

Good luck.
 

fubster

Well-Known Member
i have a pretty warped sense of humor. i think in all my years of professional gambling, this is my most valuable asset.
 

brandone

Active Member
UK-21 said:
It's just you. Chill out and enjoy, and don't waste any time fretting over what would have been the result if . . . .

The majority of people you share a table with will make poor decisions, but remember it's their money, they can play with it how they wish and as the WoO says on his web site, " . . . . don't take from their experience".

Good luck.
Good point. I don't think about what the result would have been -- I'm not the kind of player that thinks someone is 'taking' his cards -- but if you're well informed on gun safety and routinely handle guns it's like seeing someone wave a weapon around even though it's unloaded. It breaks the basic rules and when these things are seared into your mind, it has a tendency to piss you off. Personally I like it when some of the guys make stupid decisions and lose money if they're being pricks. Otherwise I fight my urge to offer friendly advice because I hate coming off as though I know what's up; my camo is usually the lucky self-confident inebriated guy who has been drinking a good amount (although it's extremely watered down whiskey).

-B
 

prankster

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I know-it's so easy to let those guys really really piss you off! Just remember this-it's those ploppies that enable the casinos to have enough $$$ to pay off us advantage players! In reality, every time we see a ploppy do something stupid or obnoxious we should jump up,stand at attention,salute and scream out "THANK YOU PLOPPY,THANK YOU!":joker:
 

JulieCA

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The ones that annoy me are the ones sitting next to me and carrying on a running dialogue about the game, the dealer, the cards, the play... etc. ad nauseum. Especially if they're doing it in a loud voice.

The fidgety ones that call the dealer names, jump up from the table and slam things around just plain make me nervous and uncomfortable. I consider it a sign that it's time to take a break or change tables.
 

flyingwind

Well-Known Member
Other players

I love other players at the table who make mistakes.

I try to study them and there are some whose mistakes I've picked up for cover. I try to mull over decisions just like them and the rest of the table. When a tough decision comes up, I ask those players for help. I just want to appear as clueless as them.

The obnoxious ones are great cover to sit next to, so long as you can tolerate it. No one cares how I'm betting or playing when there's a loud mouth at the table annoying the dealer or pit. If you can't tolerate them, just move to the next table, and that obnoxious player is still going to be great cover from two tables away.
 

prankster

Well-Known Member
JulieCA said:
The ones that annoy me are the ones sitting next to me and carrying on a running dialogue about the game, the dealer, the cards, the play... etc. ad nauseum. Especially if they're doing it in a loud voice.

The fidgety ones that call the dealer names, jump up from the table and slam things around just plain make me nervous and uncomfortable. I consider it a sign that it's time to take a break or change tables.
The woulda, coulda, shouldas! They drive me nuts!:joker:
 

sagefr0g

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the stuff that slows the game down, that's what bugs me.
but yeah some folks at the tables, dealers & players, just plain irritating for all kinds of reasons, especially if the stuff they do slows down the game.
 

blackjack avenger

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Take it All In

If you are not aware of others at the table then how can you blend in with them?:joker::whip:

What they are betting?

Are they going to draw heat or dissipate it?

Are they overly interested in your chips?

Are they playing slow or fast?

Are they a possible scavange?

Are they another AP?

Most importantly
Are they hot!:joker::whip:
 

brandone

Active Member
blackjack avenger said:
If you are not aware of others at the table then how can you blend in with them?:joker::whip:

What they are betting?

Are they going to draw heat or dissipate it?

Are they overly interested in your chips?

Are they playing slow or fast?

Are they a possible scavange?

Are they another AP?

Most importantly
Are they hot!:joker::whip:
Excellent check list of observations
 

fubster

Well-Known Member
my first time counting cards in vegas, i was at the spaniard. no, i wasn't trying to get barred.

every time i plated 2 hands, guy in 3rd always made a remark along the lines of "careful, if you get blackjack with those big bets they'll know"

he clearly wasn't a counter. about five hands later, the pit was hawking him. he was obviously (to me) not counting, simply pressing and pinching his bets based on results. he continued babbling about counting, and when there was a close insurance decision, he deferred to me, loudly exclaiming that the "count must warrant it" after i insured.

i eventually did get flatbet (mostly due to my inexperience and naivete and recklessness), but oddly enough, the lout who was shouting about my betsizing and my insurance decisions didn't have the pit batting an eyelash at me. they were zeroed in on his actions.

i was employing an absurdly aggressive spread. counters will spread 1-12. when someone stars spreading 1-60, they're more concerned about comps than about counting. at least in my very humble amateur opinion.
 

65D

Active Member
I can't stand when ploppies make statements like such.

but they are too dumb to know any better.

Things Like "you are very lucky, you win when you bet big, you must know something"

I don't know if it's purely the lack of any clue, OR...it's they think maybe you coint, and they have some envy.

Can't control what they do, can only "try" and blend in.
I typically like to say something to the extent of "well i figure Im here playing at a casino, I might as well gamble some times, but I dont want to always bet alot b/c If i run out of money all in one day my wife will be irrate"
- something to make it look like I am a compulsive gambler.

Just as I read on here from another poster, an optimal reply to when they ask you for members card. (his advice was dead on)
I say "I can't have a members card to a casino, if my wife finds that in my wallet, she will kill me. She know's I have kinda this gambling problem thing.
same result, the pit boss grinned ear to ear.
 

Legacy

New Member
I don't mind people who switch from one spot or two spots, and who go against BS. It only matters the way you play your hand. People who yell and get angry when they lose are annoying, but just ignore them and have fun.
 

JulieCA

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sagefr0g said:
the stuff that slows the game down, that's what bugs me.
...
You mean like the guy in a toss game who stares intently at his cards for a full minute before tucking them, and when the cards get flipped over by the dealer, you find it took him 60 seconds to decide what he wanted to do with a 20 against a dealer 10?

Or the couple that sits together and confers (extensively) with one another about how to play each hand?

Or the guy who's so busy yelling at the cocktail waitress because she didn't bring him a beer that he holds up play for 2 minutes?

THOSE people? :rolleyes:
 

plainplayer

Active Member
JulieCA said:
You mean like [...]

THOSE people?
Like the guy who's slowly (or perhaps not so slowly) getting drunk while spending 70% of his time talking politics with kibbitzers behind the table, missing both the deal and his turn to play, to the point that the dealer has warned him that he'll simply be passed over if he won't pay attention to the game.

Like people who play side-bet games on every single hand (e.g. "3-card poker match" of your two against dealer up, that sort of thing) which slow down the playing of actual BJ -- you know, the reason the table exists in the first place -- by half or worse.

Yeah, those people...
 
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