Best of Times?

[jimmtech]

With continually deteriorating rules and conditions, it seems harder and harder to find good games.

If you could travel back in time with your current counting/AP knowledge and skill - what time period would you travel to and to which casino?

 

[zengrifter]

With continually deteriorating rules and conditions, it seems harder and harder to find good games.

If you could travel back in time with your current counting/AP knowledge and skill - what time period would you travel to and to which casino?

If I had to pick just one - I'd go to The Sands circa '65, play BJ and party with The Rat Pack.

Interestingly enough, I once had a semi-lucid dream where I didn't quite grasp that I was dreaming, but I knew something was different. And in the next instant I had figured out that somehow I was back in time --- It was unimportant how I had gone back in time, only that it was 1963 and I possessed MY ZEN COUNT!!! I headed quickly for the nearest casino... and then woke up instantly disappointed. zg

 

[mdlbj]

I would have hit ( hooked up with ) A very beautiful 40 year old Vietnamese lady last visit to Vegas..But the payouts were well worth passing on it..

 

[Doofus]

I would have hit ( hooked up with ) A very beautiful 40 year old Vietnamese lady last visit to Vegas..But the payouts were well worth passing on it..

Grandma say: "Me love you long time, meeeester!"

mdl say: "Not while there's a plus five true count in this shoe!"

 

[Automatic Monkey]

If I had to pick just one - I'd go to The Sands circa '65, play BJ and party with The Rat Pack.

Interestingly enough, I once had a semi-lucid dream where I didn't quite grasp that I was dreaming, but I knew something was different. And in the next instant I had figured out that somehow I was back in time --- It was unimportant how I had gone back in time, only that it was 1963 and I possessed MY ZEN COUNT!!! I headed quickly for the nearest casino... and then woke up instantly disappointed. zg

Interesting concepts.

Although I don't believe hunches and intuition can determine the next card (no voodoo for me) there are certain things we are learning about the need for an observer for certain events to occur, and it's possible that there needs to ultimately be a human observer or experiencer in the chain of events. (See anthropic theories of matter and the universe) The individual quantum events that make up all occurrences do not appear to be limited by the speed of light, which means that relative to us and our world which is limited by the speed of light, time is a non-issue and neither backwards nor forwards in time are clearly defined.

What this reduces to is that even though we might not be able to see the next card, we could possibly see our reaction to the next card. They are not quite the same thing. Nor would I recommend using this technique at the table quite yet! This is just something we might be beginning to understand a few hundred years from now.

 

[sagefr0g]

Interesting concepts.

Although I don't believe hunches and intuition can determine the next card (no voodoo for me) there are certain things we are learning about the need for an observer for certain events to occur, and it's possible that there needs to ultimately be a human observer or experiencer in the chain of events. (See anthropic theories of matter and the universe) The individual quantum events that make up all occurrences do not appear to be limited by the speed of light, which means that relative to us and our world which is limited by the speed of light, time is a non-issue and neither backwards nor forwards in time are clearly defined.

What this reduces to is that even though we might not be able to see the next card, we could possibly see our reaction to the next card. They are not quite the same thing. Nor would I recommend using this technique at the table quite yet! This is just something we might be beginning to understand a few hundred years from now.

so what the bleep do we know?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rQiF2cRKdc&feature=related

 

[tribute]

With continually deteriorating rules and conditions, it seems harder and harder to find good games.

If you could travel back in time with your current counting/AP knowledge and skill - what time period would you travel to and to which casino?

jimmtech's question is one I have also pondered. What would it be like to take our expert counting skills back to 1965 and visit a place such as the Desert Inn? Was there such a thing as "heat"? Would your bet spreads be scrutinized? What kind of penetration was seen on shoe games? Or should you only be concerned when enough wins would cause the goons to appear and escort you out to the sand dunes?

 

[shadroch]

The problem would be that stakes were so much lower then. The $5 table in 1965 is todays $25 table. I can't imagine getting away with winning spreading multiple black chips.You could hit the casino like a hammer,but you'd need to return to today,where your winning would lose about 80% of its value.Unless you bought gold,or perhaps some comic books or baseball cards and brought them back with you.

 

[zengrifter]

Interesting concepts.

Although I don't believe hunches and intuition can determine the next card (no voodoo for me) there are certain things we are learning about the need for an observer for certain events to occur, and it's possible that there needs to ultimately be a human observer or experiencer in the chain of events. (See anthropic theories of matter and the universe) The individual quantum events that make up all occurrences do not appear to be limited by the speed of light, which means that relative to us and our world which is limited by the speed of light, time is a non-issue and neither backwards nor forwards in time are clearly defined.

What this reduces to is that even though we might not be able to see the next card, we could possibly see our reaction to the next card. They are not quite the same thing. Nor would I recommend using this technique at the table quite yet! This is just something we might be beginning to understand a few hundred years from now.

So then let me ask a philosophical question:

If a man stands alone deep in the forest, and he's talking out loud, and there is NO WOMAN near enough to hear him...

...IS HE STILL WRONG??
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[zengrifter]

jimmtech's question is one I have also pondered. What would it be like to take our expert counting skills back to 1965 and visit a place such as the Desert Inn? Was there such a thing as "heat"? Would your bet spreads be scrutinized? What kind of penetration was seen on shoe games? Or should you only be concerned when enough wins would cause the goons to appear and escort you out to the sand dunes?

All 1D dealt to the end. zg

 

[InPlay]

The problem would be that stakes were so much lower then. The $5 table in 1965 is todays $25 table. I can't imagine getting away with winning spreading multiple black chips.You could hit the casino like a hammer,but you'd need to return to today,where your winning would lose about 80% of its value.Unless you bought gold,or perhaps some comic books or baseball cards and brought them back with you.

Start my first real job in 1965 at 2.65 an hour. Betting $5 would have been a stretch for me back then.

 

[callipygian]

I'm not sure I would have wanted to count cards while the mob had any sort of influence on the system. Getting barred by a publicly-traded corporation is one thing; having goons show up at your door just as the security cameras go down for maintenance is another.

That being said, I'd probably go back to the late 90's, and beat the MIT team to publishing a book glamorizing card counting, making sure I secured the movie rights. I'm pretty sure that's the easiest way to make millions off of card counting.

 

[creeping panther]

jimmtech

With continually deteriorating rules and conditions, it seems harder and harder to find good games.

If you could travel back in time with your current counting/AP knowledge and skill - what time period would you travel to and to which casino?

No need to lament, there are some great games out there and if you really want to play them you can, just do some homework and have time to travel.

Don't be fooled by the conventional wisdom.

CP

 

[moo321]

Now is the best time in decades to be an AP. Casinos are everywhere, you can gamble online, and there's idiots willing to donate you money in poker. Don't buy the hype.

 

[Sonny]

No need to lament, there are some great games out there and if you really want to play them you can, just do some homework and have time to travel.

Don't be fooled by the conventional wisdom.

Now is the best time in decades to be an AP. Casinos are everywhere, you can gamble online, and there's idiots willing to donate you money in poker. Don't buy the hype.

Amen brothers! Not only are there more casinos, more games and more opportunities, but the opportunities are much better. They can be tougher to find but that means they usually last longer because it takes the casinos much longer to figure out what’s going on. Any opportunity that is easy to spot will not last long. Some folks want to go back in time to count down those deeply dealt SD games for a 4% advantage until the bosses spot them (not long), but I’d rather crush the brand new casinos and be gone before they know what hit them.

http://www.worldgameprotection.com/archive/2006-02/article.html

-Sonny-

 

[callipygian]

there's idiots willing to donate you money in poker.

I always feel like poker is different from blackjack, though. In poker, you're winning from other players despite losing to the house. In blackjack, you're actually beating the house.

But yeah, I've won more at $3-$6 and $4-$8 limit poker in the past 3 years than I've won at $10-$25 blackjack, despite the hours being similar.