Bet Sizing Advice Needed

[Doofus]

OK, slide rule jockeys, here's a request for some help to the technologically illiterate. I have a 6-deck game, only 1 deck cut off. Stand on all 17s, re-split aces up to three times, resplit anything else unlimited. Double on any two cards and double after split. No surrender.

What should my betting sizing be for play-all, spread 5-200, assume zero heat. What about 25-500?

Assume no wonging in or out, so 5 or 25 on negative counts. But where are the break points for TC when the max bet is 200 or 500?

By the way, I may also be able to spread out to three hands, but would prefer the sizing for playing just one hand, heads-up.

Thank you in advance, amigos.

 

[rukus]

OK, slide rule jockeys, here's a request for some help to the technologically illiterate. I have a 6-deck game, only 1 deck cut off. Stand on all 17s, re-split aces up to three times, resplit anything else unlimited. Double on any two cards and double after split. No surrender.

What should my betting sizing be for play-all, spread 5-200, assume zero heat. What about 25-500?

Assume no wonging in or out, so 5 or 25 on negative counts. But where are the break points for TC when the max bet is 200 or 500?

By the way, I may also be able to spread out to three hands, but would prefer the sizing for playing just one hand, heads-up.

Thank you in advance, amigos.

what count system are you using? what is size of your bank in $? what lifetime RoR are you looking to play with?
MOST importantly, share the location of that game - or is this a theoretical question? because I haven't seen a BJ game like that in quite a while, particularly with no heat.

EDIT: wait, are you planning to spread 5-200?? and 25-500?? or are those table min/max?

 

[Doofus]

what count system are you using? what is size of your bank in $? what lifetime RoR are you looking to play with?
MOST importantly, share the location of that game - or is this a theoretical question? because I haven't seen a BJ game like that in quite a while, particularly with no heat.

EDIT: wait, are you planning to spread 5-200?? and 25-500?? or are those table min/max?

Yes, let's assume no heat, so spread is 5-200 or 25-500. Basic Hi Lo count, my bank is replentishable, so let's say it's unlimited (only a 200 and 500 table maxes here, after all). Lifetime RoR? Let's say 25%. I'm not terribly conservative, certainly not on a low limit table like this.

And as for locations, well, you show me yours, I'll show you mine, LOL!

 

[EasyRhino]

At TC +1, bet 0.5% of your bankroll.
At TC+2, bet 1%,
at TC+3 bet 1.5%
etc.

Lather rinse and repeat.

Bet the table minimum in neutral/negative hands.

 

[mjbballar23]

sim

OK, slide rule jockeys, here's a request for some help to the technologically illiterate. I have a 6-deck game, only 1 deck cut off. Stand on all 17s, re-split aces up to three times, resplit anything else unlimited. Double on any two cards and double after split. No surrender.

What should my betting sizing be for play-all, spread 5-200, assume zero heat. What about 25-500?

Assume no wonging in or out, so 5 or 25 on negative counts. But where are the break points for TC when the max bet is 200 or 500?

By the way, I may also be able to spread out to three hands, but would prefer the sizing for playing just one hand, heads-up.

Thank you in advance, amigos.

Alright Doofus here is what i got:
CASE 1
EV = $48.77 per 100 hands, 10% ror with $10k bankroll, 1% ROR with 20k bank, NO = 17,845 hands
Bet Ramp: TC>+1 = $5
TC=+1 = $30
TC=+2 = $70
TC=+3 = $110
TC=+4 = $150
TC=+5 = $190
TC=+6 = $200
CASE 2
EV = $114 per 100 hands, 42.9% ROR with 10k bank, 18.4% ROR with 20k bank, 7.9% ROR with 30k bank, NO = 20,754 hands
Bet Ramp: TC>+1 = $25
TC=+1 = $75
TC=+2 = $175
TC=+3 = $275
TC=+4 = $375
TC=+5 = $475
TC=+6 = $500

 

[Doofus]

Interesting numbers. Much more aggressive than I would have thought.

OK, time now to get my passport and plane ticket, and see how things work out. Yes, the game is overseas, where I have first-hand knowledge that the security folks are MUCH more worried about counterfeit currency and outright cheating than they are of card counters. In fact, they're so worried about fake money that they don't take drops at the table, you have to buy chips at the cashier's cage where they have all the anti-counterfeiting measures in place.

Thanks fellows. To be continued....

 

[Doofus]

Alright Doofus here is what i got:
CASE 1
EV = $48.77 per 100 hands, 10% ror with $10k bankroll, 1% ROR with 20k bank, NO = 17,845 hands
Bet Ramp: TC>+1 = $5
TC=+1 = $30
TC=+2 = $70
TC=+3 = $110
TC=+4 = $150
TC=+5 = $190
TC=+6 = $200
CASE 2
EV = $114 per 100 hands, 42.9% ROR with 10k bank, 18.4% ROR with 20k bank, 7.9% ROR with 30k bank, NO = 20,754 hands
Bet Ramp: TC>+1 = $25
TC=+1 = $75
TC=+2 = $175
TC=+3 = $275
TC=+4 = $375
TC=+5 = $475
TC=+6 = $500

One question, and sorry if it sounds stupid, but while I have no trouble getting and keeping a count, my math skills are weak. What's the effect if I spread out to two or even three hands playing these numbers on positive counts assuming there are other players at the table (knowing that if I'm heads up I am better off playing one hand only). I'm guessing that the expected return goes up and the RoR and variability go down. Educate me a bit, if you can tolerate it.

 

[EasyRhino]

If you play two hands, play about 70% of the single hand bet. Three hands, about 50-55%. It adds more volatility, but the increased win rate in high counts keeps ROR the same

 

[eandre]

I'm not a math wiz like some but I play alot...some say too much. Spreading to 2 hands makes sense if you hold the advantage but spreading to 3 hands is a marginal move for profits if you are just counting. If tracking yes or even if it's last hand coming during a very high count and the prior hand or two has indicated it's right.

 

[mjbballar23]

Doofus, do as EasyRhino said so 70% of a single hand bet to play 2 hands and 55% for 3 hands. The overall effect is an increase in EV while ROR stays the same. Also i seem to have made a mistake in my previous post. Follow these ones instead.
CASE 1
EV = $40.55 per 100 hands, 6.4% ror with $10k bankroll, .4% ROR with 20k bank, NO = 17,945 hands
Bet Ramp: TC>+1 = $5
TC=+1 = $25
TC=+2 = $55
TC=+3 = $85
TC=+4 = $115
TC=+5 = $145
TC=+6 = $175
TC=+7 = $200
CASE 2
EV = $112.04 per 100 hands, 42.9% ROR with 10k bank, 18.4% ROR with 20k bank, 7.9% ROR with 30k bank, NO = 21,114 hands
Bet Ramp: TC>+1 = $25
TC=+1 = $75
TC=+2 = $175
TC=+3 = $275
TC=+4 = $375
TC=+5 = $475
TC=+6 = $500

 

[Cardcounter]

Spread

If you have a 40 to 1 spread the pit will watch you very closely if they let you to continue to play they figure that even though you are spreading 40 to 1 you are playing a game with a disadvantage. Even though you have a huge spread you are still a loser.