binion's horseshoe is closed
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Hal Jordan
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Is this matter of closing something bigger, and stranger, than a Harrah's takeover? Anyone out there have further insights?
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Hal Jordan
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LV Bear
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Good riddance
Poor games, rude employees, rampant tip hustling, terrible management, filthy facility. The free parking while downtown is all I'll miss about this dump.
I hate to see it for the sake of downtown, though. A boarded-up building will still be less bad than a Harrah's.
Poor games, rude employees, rampant tip hustling, terrible management, filthy facility. The free parking while downtown is all I'll miss about this dump.
I hate to see it for the sake of downtown, though. A boarded-up building will still be less bad than a Harrah's.
Shaggy18vw
Well-Known Member
Poor Games?
Not for the red to green player. The shoe was a great place for a red/green single deck game where the pit would be preoccupied with higher action.
I'm very sorry to see it go.
Not for the red to green player. The shoe was a great place for a red/green single deck game where the pit would be preoccupied with higher action.
I'm very sorry to see it go.
BlackJackHack
Well-Known Member
Re: Good riddance
I disagree. The only place in Las Vegas with a single deck game that doesn't sweat green and black action. I also think the playing environment was nice -- an old fashioned card room without all the lights and glitz of the strip. It was a unique property. Too bad it was horribly mismanaged.
I hope that somebody (other than Harrah's) purchases the brand name and facility (whether in a federal auction or from a bankruptcy trustee) and offers similar games. I suspect, however, that Harrah's will wind up buying the brand name since they already own it in the South and Midwest.
I disagree. The only place in Las Vegas with a single deck game that doesn't sweat green and black action. I also think the playing environment was nice -- an old fashioned card room without all the lights and glitz of the strip. It was a unique property. Too bad it was horribly mismanaged.
I hope that somebody (other than Harrah's) purchases the brand name and facility (whether in a federal auction or from a bankruptcy trustee) and offers similar games. I suspect, however, that Harrah's will wind up buying the brand name since they already own it in the South and Midwest.
"poor games" ?
conservatively, i've gotten well into 5 figures from that "poor game". i must have been lucky these many years. of course, i'm "lucky" at most of the joints i've been playing, since the early 60's.
better parking is at the golden gate...<20 paces from the car door to the joint's back door. unless you needed the exercise to walk the half block from the 'shoe's drop off, down the escalator (on the mint side), through the pass through and back to the 21 tables. but, exercise is good for a body.
as to cleanliness, no doubt the poster *bear, wouldn't scuff his manicure playing at other "dirty" places...western, golden gate, fremont, las vegas club, 4 queens, and a few others not on fremont street. and he musta missed out on that game at the opera house. i usta rely on that one for years for gas and lunch money, that is until wong emailed the "black chip" members who burned it out. without question, that "dirty" place... was beneath his cleanliness standards. although, as i recall, the hundreds were no dirtier than those i get on the strip(s) at other venues. and that short-lived klondike game.... was that joint too dirty as well ? if you scrounge around, you can usually score a coupon for that anemic pasta dinner, thus saving the $1.99.
no doubt the "nice" joints with the 6:5 snappers and/or dedicated (center monitor) surveillance of the $50 and up games as at belaggio, are "okay". i *do* like the perrier instead of the 'shoe's house label, bottled water. better could be the fresh squeezed o.j. at mandalay.
for some reason, i play the game to filch trump from the checque rack. the "ploppies" play the game because of the cocktail waitresses accoutrement, the class of beverage served, the access to "comps" (maybe a third of the player's anticipated or realized losses), the thickness of the rugs, the gold plating on the loo fixtures, maybe the quality of the barfet.
some of the finest, most financially rewarding games i've played in the last *20* years, were in some tribal joint with wood/vinyl tile floors, maybe in a "modular" structure, with break-in pit stiffs. prior to that, from the early 60's or so, lv strip joints had excellent games. of the more recent games...one joint as i recall, in northern wisconsin was amusing. players would pile their coats and jackets on the floor in the pit. one had to count the dealer's hand as well as the "other" counts. once, a dealer dealt right through a soft 20, and finally busted. even after i showed the error to the 'stiff, he said.."the dealer has to hit soft 17". apparently he thought that included soft hands *over* 17 as well. since it was the first week of operation, they had never seen a card counter and were unconcerned with 1-50 bet spreads. now that i think about, that place was "dirty" also. another such a tribal joint had a dirt parking lot with a 2X12 plank as the "porte couchere". another had an interesting, 15' scorch mark in the rug, inward from the door to the parking lot. a disgruntled employee had tossed in a molotov cocktail. that scorch mark was there for a couple of weeks (or, should i say, for about $600 profit).
give me the joints with sticky mali cloth, sticky checques, brand x beverages, senior citizen beverage servers, but with a game i'm smart enough to beat. the glitz is for the chumps who support this town. i only wish that there were more of them.
conservatively, i've gotten well into 5 figures from that "poor game". i must have been lucky these many years. of course, i'm "lucky" at most of the joints i've been playing, since the early 60's.
better parking is at the golden gate...<20 paces from the car door to the joint's back door. unless you needed the exercise to walk the half block from the 'shoe's drop off, down the escalator (on the mint side), through the pass through and back to the 21 tables. but, exercise is good for a body.
as to cleanliness, no doubt the poster *bear, wouldn't scuff his manicure playing at other "dirty" places...western, golden gate, fremont, las vegas club, 4 queens, and a few others not on fremont street. and he musta missed out on that game at the opera house. i usta rely on that one for years for gas and lunch money, that is until wong emailed the "black chip" members who burned it out. without question, that "dirty" place... was beneath his cleanliness standards. although, as i recall, the hundreds were no dirtier than those i get on the strip(s) at other venues. and that short-lived klondike game.... was that joint too dirty as well ? if you scrounge around, you can usually score a coupon for that anemic pasta dinner, thus saving the $1.99.
no doubt the "nice" joints with the 6:5 snappers and/or dedicated (center monitor) surveillance of the $50 and up games as at belaggio, are "okay". i *do* like the perrier instead of the 'shoe's house label, bottled water. better could be the fresh squeezed o.j. at mandalay.
for some reason, i play the game to filch trump from the checque rack. the "ploppies" play the game because of the cocktail waitresses accoutrement, the class of beverage served, the access to "comps" (maybe a third of the player's anticipated or realized losses), the thickness of the rugs, the gold plating on the loo fixtures, maybe the quality of the barfet.
some of the finest, most financially rewarding games i've played in the last *20* years, were in some tribal joint with wood/vinyl tile floors, maybe in a "modular" structure, with break-in pit stiffs. prior to that, from the early 60's or so, lv strip joints had excellent games. of the more recent games...one joint as i recall, in northern wisconsin was amusing. players would pile their coats and jackets on the floor in the pit. one had to count the dealer's hand as well as the "other" counts. once, a dealer dealt right through a soft 20, and finally busted. even after i showed the error to the 'stiff, he said.."the dealer has to hit soft 17". apparently he thought that included soft hands *over* 17 as well. since it was the first week of operation, they had never seen a card counter and were unconcerned with 1-50 bet spreads. now that i think about, that place was "dirty" also. another such a tribal joint had a dirt parking lot with a 2X12 plank as the "porte couchere". another had an interesting, 15' scorch mark in the rug, inward from the door to the parking lot. a disgruntled employee had tossed in a molotov cocktail. that scorch mark was there for a couple of weeks (or, should i say, for about $600 profit).
give me the joints with sticky mali cloth, sticky checques, brand x beverages, senior citizen beverage servers, but with a game i'm smart enough to beat. the glitz is for the chumps who support this town. i only wish that there were more of them.
LV Bear
Administrator
Oh, no, not my manicure!
as to cleanliness, no doubt the poster *bear, wouldn't scuff his manicure playing at other "dirty" places...western, golden gate, fremont, las vegas club, 4 queens, and a few others
Unfortunately, the games at the places you mentioned are no longer available to me. Long ago, even though I then played for somewhat lower stakes, I wore out my welcome at the Western, Four Queens, and two more downtown single deck dumps you didn't mention.
Golden Gate is not playable, since a single green chip is loudly called "green action" and then the pref shuffling begins. Fremont sometimes has one worthwhile game left. LVC has been extremely sweaty lately.
I like downtown. I just dislike the Horseshoe. With all the business they had, it is hard to imagine they couldn't afford to hire one additional janitor, or somehow motivate one of their many "standing around, doing nothing" employees to actually do some work.
Abandoned junk cars would sit in the parking garage for months at a time. The garage elevator looked like it was NEVER cleaned. The trash cans were always overflowing. Rest rooms were worse than at a rural gas station.
The awful penetration typical of their single deck games was a joke. Stupid, stupid, stupid. With all the drunken ploppies they regularly had, they could deal reasonable games, and make so much more per hour than they would ever lose to skilled players. But they wouldn't do it.
I have no doubt that they dealt the fewest hands per hour of any casino in Nevada, with the bad pen on single deck games, and the old, slow, grouchy dealers who made it clear they hate their jobs (in between whining for tokes) and hate every customer. Or the sneering floor people in their cheap suits probably scavenged from a dumpster. When the book How to Mismanage a Casino is written, the Horseshoe will be "Exhibit A."
Their inability to pay their bills was either the result of incredibly inept management with a bloated payroll, and/or the amount of internal theft was beyond comprehension.
as to cleanliness, no doubt the poster *bear, wouldn't scuff his manicure playing at other "dirty" places...western, golden gate, fremont, las vegas club, 4 queens, and a few others
Unfortunately, the games at the places you mentioned are no longer available to me. Long ago, even though I then played for somewhat lower stakes, I wore out my welcome at the Western, Four Queens, and two more downtown single deck dumps you didn't mention.
Golden Gate is not playable, since a single green chip is loudly called "green action" and then the pref shuffling begins. Fremont sometimes has one worthwhile game left. LVC has been extremely sweaty lately.
I like downtown. I just dislike the Horseshoe. With all the business they had, it is hard to imagine they couldn't afford to hire one additional janitor, or somehow motivate one of their many "standing around, doing nothing" employees to actually do some work.
Abandoned junk cars would sit in the parking garage for months at a time. The garage elevator looked like it was NEVER cleaned. The trash cans were always overflowing. Rest rooms were worse than at a rural gas station.
The awful penetration typical of their single deck games was a joke. Stupid, stupid, stupid. With all the drunken ploppies they regularly had, they could deal reasonable games, and make so much more per hour than they would ever lose to skilled players. But they wouldn't do it.
I have no doubt that they dealt the fewest hands per hour of any casino in Nevada, with the bad pen on single deck games, and the old, slow, grouchy dealers who made it clear they hate their jobs (in between whining for tokes) and hate every customer. Or the sneering floor people in their cheap suits probably scavenged from a dumpster. When the book How to Mismanage a Casino is written, the Horseshoe will be "Exhibit A."
Their inability to pay their bills was either the result of incredibly inept management with a bloated payroll, and/or the amount of internal theft was beyond comprehension.
those who have repeatedly been ejected are oafs....
plain and simple. my first and only 86 was >10 years ago. it required 3 minutes for me to learn that beyond some puerile gratification of being "so good" et cetera... that i was on the sidewalk and the checque tray was inside.
otoh, i heartily support those who are so poorly skilled so as to be ejected. they place themselves in the same rank as the "ploppies" in that truly skilled players need them both.
skilled players need hunch (etc) players to support the game. and at least i, need the wannabes who are so weak so as to get 86'd. were it not for the ejectees, no doubt surveillance would be admonished for not "protecting the corporate assets"... their designated task. one should then expect the joint to ratchet up the sweat.
at the aforementioned horseshoe, mebbe 10 years back.... two pitstiffs stood next to me, less than 3 feet away, peeking around a column, eyeballing another table, commenting on the bet variations of some chump on the other side of the pit. that punter apparently got the tap on the shoulder, though i didn't appear to pay any attention.
i recall another session, 20 minutes after the grand opening at the venetian. i joined one of the 3 dd games (2 in the main pit, one in the "salon"). the only player at that/"my" $50 game was being hawked by 3 pitstiffs in a huddle, and later, 2 more what i might call "spotters" in back of him in the aisle. it took me most of 2-3 minutes to spot the chump as a counter. on his 2nd "jump shift" (to borrow a phrase from another game), id est, from $50/one hand to $100 each on 2 hands, he was 86'd. two things.. i didn't know what his buy-in was since he was seated when i joined the table (i had to wade through the 10k "guests" piled up at the front entrance). could be that he was ahead, but i doubt it. his "record" was that most likely he ate the fastest 86 in history... 25 minutes from the opening bell. better, i ground away, winding up +$125 and a buffet comp to be used later in the day (the joint opened, finally, @ 20 minutes to 1:00am), at the short lived, very high end, buffet, held in a banquet room. the only thing open so far, as the 'stiff apologized, was a coffee stand and a glass case of sticky buns. that barfet was the first time i saw a whole turkey being carved in an lv barfet. the piano and opera singer on the raised platform in the center of the spread was worthy.
thus i heartily thank both classes of punters... those who blow their money on the table, and better, those who are so weak so as to be tagged out.
thank you, one and all, as the shoe might fit. without some mix of both, i couldn't have continually milked the herd these many years.
plain and simple. my first and only 86 was >10 years ago. it required 3 minutes for me to learn that beyond some puerile gratification of being "so good" et cetera... that i was on the sidewalk and the checque tray was inside.
otoh, i heartily support those who are so poorly skilled so as to be ejected. they place themselves in the same rank as the "ploppies" in that truly skilled players need them both.
skilled players need hunch (etc) players to support the game. and at least i, need the wannabes who are so weak so as to get 86'd. were it not for the ejectees, no doubt surveillance would be admonished for not "protecting the corporate assets"... their designated task. one should then expect the joint to ratchet up the sweat.
at the aforementioned horseshoe, mebbe 10 years back.... two pitstiffs stood next to me, less than 3 feet away, peeking around a column, eyeballing another table, commenting on the bet variations of some chump on the other side of the pit. that punter apparently got the tap on the shoulder, though i didn't appear to pay any attention.
i recall another session, 20 minutes after the grand opening at the venetian. i joined one of the 3 dd games (2 in the main pit, one in the "salon"). the only player at that/"my" $50 game was being hawked by 3 pitstiffs in a huddle, and later, 2 more what i might call "spotters" in back of him in the aisle. it took me most of 2-3 minutes to spot the chump as a counter. on his 2nd "jump shift" (to borrow a phrase from another game), id est, from $50/one hand to $100 each on 2 hands, he was 86'd. two things.. i didn't know what his buy-in was since he was seated when i joined the table (i had to wade through the 10k "guests" piled up at the front entrance). could be that he was ahead, but i doubt it. his "record" was that most likely he ate the fastest 86 in history... 25 minutes from the opening bell. better, i ground away, winding up +$125 and a buffet comp to be used later in the day (the joint opened, finally, @ 20 minutes to 1:00am), at the short lived, very high end, buffet, held in a banquet room. the only thing open so far, as the 'stiff apologized, was a coffee stand and a glass case of sticky buns. that barfet was the first time i saw a whole turkey being carved in an lv barfet. the piano and opera singer on the raised platform in the center of the spread was worthy.
thus i heartily thank both classes of punters... those who blow their money on the table, and better, those who are so weak so as to be tagged out.
thank you, one and all, as the shoe might fit. without some mix of both, i couldn't have continually milked the herd these many years.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Re: those who have repeatedly been ejected are oafs....
On the other hand, some experts have said that if you never get ejected, you're probably not spreading aggressively enough.
Let's compare it to a concept from that wonderful game that gave us "jump shift": doubling. I once bragged to a big time Life Master that 90% of my doubles hold up. He told me "Then you're not doubling enough." Not that I'm a defensive wizard. And he was right, if that many doubles hold up statistically I must be missing too many doubling opportunities.
As my stakes go up and my experience increases, I can't wait for the day that I occasionally get thrown out of a casino. It equates to success. Now getting thrown out all the time, that's a different story. Here's a question for the experts: if you are at the top of your game and spreading with very high efficiency, about how often can you expect to be thrown out of a store?
On the other hand, some experts have said that if you never get ejected, you're probably not spreading aggressively enough.
Let's compare it to a concept from that wonderful game that gave us "jump shift": doubling. I once bragged to a big time Life Master that 90% of my doubles hold up. He told me "Then you're not doubling enough." Not that I'm a defensive wizard. And he was right, if that many doubles hold up statistically I must be missing too many doubling opportunities.
As my stakes go up and my experience increases, I can't wait for the day that I occasionally get thrown out of a casino. It equates to success. Now getting thrown out all the time, that's a different story. Here's a question for the experts: if you are at the top of your game and spreading with very high efficiency, about how often can you expect to be thrown out of a store?
Re: those who have repeatedly been ejected are oafs....
Believe me, you do not want look forward to the first time you are 86'd, or even half-shoed. On one hand, it's pretty cool if a big, bad casino is afraid of you, but it does limit your future opportunities, esp. if you are in a casino that is owned by a conglomerate and that shares information. Most experienced counters will tell you that they can spot a counter in a few minutes, by watching their bet spread, proper use of insurance, and things they may say or do. I guess the really, really good pros you couldn't catch but they still have to vary their bets. (I know--flat bettor signals big bettor who comes in at big positive counts and flat bets). To answer your question, though, well, there really is no answer. There were several casinos where I played unscathed for years, had a hot shoe, and was immediately (next shoe) half-shoed. Did they maybe suspect beforehand and didn't care? Who knows?
Even if the casino is pleasant about their actions, it's still nothing to look forward to, except for the very short-term ego boost.
Believe me, you do not want look forward to the first time you are 86'd, or even half-shoed. On one hand, it's pretty cool if a big, bad casino is afraid of you, but it does limit your future opportunities, esp. if you are in a casino that is owned by a conglomerate and that shares information. Most experienced counters will tell you that they can spot a counter in a few minutes, by watching their bet spread, proper use of insurance, and things they may say or do. I guess the really, really good pros you couldn't catch but they still have to vary their bets. (I know--flat bettor signals big bettor who comes in at big positive counts and flat bets). To answer your question, though, well, there really is no answer. There were several casinos where I played unscathed for years, had a hot shoe, and was immediately (next shoe) half-shoed. Did they maybe suspect beforehand and didn't care? Who knows?
Even if the casino is pleasant about their actions, it's still nothing to look forward to, except for the very short-term ego boost.
only one on 21 boards.
on various boards in other languages, i have used other names, merely so as to be understood in those cultures. (viz. chinese, where "gehrig" makes zero sense)
i did have to change one name on a las vegas review journal message board; had to "re-enlist", because after a motherboard crash, i lost my password. but that went from "gehrig" to "gehrigagain". the system wouldn't let me re-register because "the name had already been taken"
if you find an objection to one calling the cards as one sees them, then i'd question the validity of *any* posts. to wit, i continue to equate those who waste their funds using ineffective "systems" with those who have learned adequate, rote skills but who have by their own hand, been prohibited from exercising those skills.
what's the difference ? player "a" is out of funds; player "b" is on the outside, looking in. neither has succeeded at the game.
of course, another method of attacking the game, that is to filch money from the game, is to ply the wannabes, rather than the checque racks. thus one should equate those with "approved" systems with those who peddle folderol. each purveyor does not actually play for casino cash, but each works the crowd. oddly, due to skill in advertising, hype, seminars, "merchandising", whatever, those with the defective systems seem to outscore those with valid methods (!). if one's aim were to earn a living from the 21 game, is there any intrinsic difference between the likes of a patrick, and for example, humble ? i've suggested on other pages that the rankings (financial) of those who work the 21 game, might be headed by a beverage server, juiced into a high minimum 21 pit. some of those young ladies have been reputed to score several hundred thousand a year. once, schlesinger stated that he made little money from authorship of his several books. thorp apparently earns far more money within academia and investment strategies than at 21. and even a 21 dealer at a thick rug joint, making a few hundred bucks a day, day in and day out, in tokes, likely outscores 99% of the counters.
anyway, the issue is that if the horseshoe's "poor" games are closed, and if the cheapie gaughan joints are "modernized", tweaked, "tightened up" (to use a dark side phrase), then the 21 game will be even more challenging.
these are the good old days.
on various boards in other languages, i have used other names, merely so as to be understood in those cultures. (viz. chinese, where "gehrig" makes zero sense)
i did have to change one name on a las vegas review journal message board; had to "re-enlist", because after a motherboard crash, i lost my password. but that went from "gehrig" to "gehrigagain". the system wouldn't let me re-register because "the name had already been taken"
if you find an objection to one calling the cards as one sees them, then i'd question the validity of *any* posts. to wit, i continue to equate those who waste their funds using ineffective "systems" with those who have learned adequate, rote skills but who have by their own hand, been prohibited from exercising those skills.
what's the difference ? player "a" is out of funds; player "b" is on the outside, looking in. neither has succeeded at the game.
of course, another method of attacking the game, that is to filch money from the game, is to ply the wannabes, rather than the checque racks. thus one should equate those with "approved" systems with those who peddle folderol. each purveyor does not actually play for casino cash, but each works the crowd. oddly, due to skill in advertising, hype, seminars, "merchandising", whatever, those with the defective systems seem to outscore those with valid methods (!). if one's aim were to earn a living from the 21 game, is there any intrinsic difference between the likes of a patrick, and for example, humble ? i've suggested on other pages that the rankings (financial) of those who work the 21 game, might be headed by a beverage server, juiced into a high minimum 21 pit. some of those young ladies have been reputed to score several hundred thousand a year. once, schlesinger stated that he made little money from authorship of his several books. thorp apparently earns far more money within academia and investment strategies than at 21. and even a 21 dealer at a thick rug joint, making a few hundred bucks a day, day in and day out, in tokes, likely outscores 99% of the counters.
anyway, the issue is that if the horseshoe's "poor" games are closed, and if the cheapie gaughan joints are "modernized", tweaked, "tightened up" (to use a dark side phrase), then the 21 game will be even more challenging.
these are the good old days.
the inherent difference is....
that in bridge, unless you are cheating, you cannot be 86'd from playing the game, anywhere/everywhere.
brings to mind, that in the early 60's, i usta play for a tenth or two/point, in college. a couple of guys in the group later became notable for cheating in a national tournament. as i recall, it was determined that they would hold their cards in such a manner that their fingers would indicate major holdings. the problem with that "convention" is that only those two guys knew it.
as to 21, being ejected is no better than losing. if fangio continually crashed while pushing the envelope, he wouldn't be remembered as a great driver. he might have lost his sponsors entirely. might have been self 86'd from racing.
just like busting a hand, "you gotta be in to win".
the issue of aggressive play might relate to the tortoise/hare tale. those who merely visit casinos a couple times a year can pray that they enjoy short term wins and that the pitstiffs won't remember them the next time. locals who ply the joints constantly, the tortoises, much like the mosquito, have to repeatedly visit the host. thus a local's "act" must be superior. my money's on the tortoise.
as to the stiff's/casino database-memory... in the early 60's, in the days of $300 trip bankrolls/$1/silver coin/single deck/"strip rules", i filled out a check cashing card at a then, thick rug joint. over 30 years later, i asked for a coffee shop line pass at the same joint, giving my legit name. the 'stiff came back in 5 minutes (with a *comp* !) while saying, "we haven't seen you in a while".
again, the weekend warriors are fine fodder for the surveillance staff. i prefer to play.
that in bridge, unless you are cheating, you cannot be 86'd from playing the game, anywhere/everywhere.
brings to mind, that in the early 60's, i usta play for a tenth or two/point, in college. a couple of guys in the group later became notable for cheating in a national tournament. as i recall, it was determined that they would hold their cards in such a manner that their fingers would indicate major holdings. the problem with that "convention" is that only those two guys knew it.
as to 21, being ejected is no better than losing. if fangio continually crashed while pushing the envelope, he wouldn't be remembered as a great driver. he might have lost his sponsors entirely. might have been self 86'd from racing.
just like busting a hand, "you gotta be in to win".
the issue of aggressive play might relate to the tortoise/hare tale. those who merely visit casinos a couple times a year can pray that they enjoy short term wins and that the pitstiffs won't remember them the next time. locals who ply the joints constantly, the tortoises, much like the mosquito, have to repeatedly visit the host. thus a local's "act" must be superior. my money's on the tortoise.
as to the stiff's/casino database-memory... in the early 60's, in the days of $300 trip bankrolls/$1/silver coin/single deck/"strip rules", i filled out a check cashing card at a then, thick rug joint. over 30 years later, i asked for a coffee shop line pass at the same joint, giving my legit name. the 'stiff came back in 5 minutes (with a *comp* !) while saying, "we haven't seen you in a while".
again, the weekend warriors are fine fodder for the surveillance staff. i prefer to play.
learning to count
Well-Known Member
sounds like piui to me!
ah yes, puiu.....
a few years back, he and i usta joust on a couple of other boards. at the time, allowing for his "second language" english, he'd make preposterous statements about his roulette methods, for example. of couse, the more i questioned him on specifics, the more he spun (*not* the wheel !).
i've noticed in message board discussions, many posters, when confronted with logical objections to their premises, they first spin away. then, when further questioned, they move to vitriol, all the while avoiding specific points.
when i usta question 110% communist party posters on the mainline chinese message boards, they were quick on the draw. i'd ask for example, how they could admire grandpa mao who had off'd at least 10 million chinese citizens via his food stuffs manipulations. the answer was usually some spin accusing me of being a "capitalist oppressor". then there are the times when i'd question some self-proclaimed, "sovereign citizen" on a right wing board, maybe about why he thought he didn't have to pay taxes while using tax payer funded facilities and services. those questions often spun to "where do you live ?" [this from dudes with a dozen class 3 weapons buried in the bunker under the trailer], or simple suggestions that i was a "commie sympathizer".
if anyone knows where puiu (and his alter egos) are lurking, ask him if *he's* gehrig. seems that the most recent time he surfaced, was last year on dalton's vodou page when began a harangue. fencing with such as puiu et alii adds a bit of salsa to these boards.
a few years back, he and i usta joust on a couple of other boards. at the time, allowing for his "second language" english, he'd make preposterous statements about his roulette methods, for example. of couse, the more i questioned him on specifics, the more he spun (*not* the wheel !).
i've noticed in message board discussions, many posters, when confronted with logical objections to their premises, they first spin away. then, when further questioned, they move to vitriol, all the while avoiding specific points.
when i usta question 110% communist party posters on the mainline chinese message boards, they were quick on the draw. i'd ask for example, how they could admire grandpa mao who had off'd at least 10 million chinese citizens via his food stuffs manipulations. the answer was usually some spin accusing me of being a "capitalist oppressor". then there are the times when i'd question some self-proclaimed, "sovereign citizen" on a right wing board, maybe about why he thought he didn't have to pay taxes while using tax payer funded facilities and services. those questions often spun to "where do you live ?" [this from dudes with a dozen class 3 weapons buried in the bunker under the trailer], or simple suggestions that i was a "commie sympathizer".
if anyone knows where puiu (and his alter egos) are lurking, ask him if *he's* gehrig. seems that the most recent time he surfaced, was last year on dalton's vodou page when began a harangue. fencing with such as puiu et alii adds a bit of salsa to these boards.
learning to count
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Re: ah yes, puiu.....
Your writing style is similar to puiu and Alexd30. You are bragging about your ability and success as they do. No problem I'm just nosy. Your post are interesting and do start contoversy. Gets the blood flowing! Have at it!
Your writing style is similar to puiu and Alexd30. You are bragging about your ability and success as they do. No problem I'm just nosy. Your post are interesting and do start contoversy. Gets the blood flowing! Have at it!
I'm curious Gehrig...
You've been telling us about when you "usta" play "21" in the 1960's. You have told us of several forums that you visited. You have informed us that you've never used a handle other then gehrig or gehrigagain. What is it about "mainline chinese message boards" that were so interesting that you visited those prior to AP boards? I mean, I would think that someone with your experiences, age, knowledge, money making 86 avoiding ability might have stumbled across a "21" site sometime prior to discussing communism and capitalism with the chinese.
You've been telling us about when you "usta" play "21" in the 1960's. You have told us of several forums that you visited. You have informed us that you've never used a handle other then gehrig or gehrigagain. What is it about "mainline chinese message boards" that were so interesting that you visited those prior to AP boards? I mean, I would think that someone with your experiences, age, knowledge, money making 86 avoiding ability might have stumbled across a "21" site sometime prior to discussing communism and capitalism with the chinese.