BJ 6-5 for practice purposes?

[Memphis10Tigers]

I know, I know, Blackjack payout of 6-5 is an abomination to the game.

BUT, I am an amateur card counter and have yet to take my game to the casinos. The reason I ask is that the casinos I go to offer a 6-5 payout game with a 3 dollar minimum bet! As I am still learning, I don't want to put too much on the line, and a 3$ minimum bet can save on your bankroll when counting through a cold shoe.

Wizard of odds gives a -1.39%. Would you even break even using hi-lo? I have not even begun to think about what what spread to use...

Bottom line is that I need practice in real casino conditions. How bad of an idea is it for practicing on this?

 

[Midwestern]

you can play this as long as you're comfortable paying 1.4 cents to the casino for every dollar on every hand you play...

even though you have good rules, the apple that spoils the whole bunch is 6:5. I'd rather play 3:2 BJ with the worst rules in the country than 6:5. this game will be VERY difficult to beat and you will need to do it with a very high spread (regardless of how many decks they use).

I know, I know, Blackjack payout of 6-5 is an abomination to the game.

BUT, I am an amateur card counter and have yet to take my game to the casinos. The reason I ask is that the casinos I go to offer a 6-5 payout game with a 3 dollar minimum bet! As I am still learning, I don't want to put too much on the line, and a 3$ minimum bet can save on your bankroll when counting through a cold shoe.

Wizard of odds gives a -1.39%. Would you even break even using hi-lo? I have not even begun to think about what what spread to use...

Bottom line is that I need practice in real casino conditions. How bad of an idea is it for practicing on this?

 

[Gamblor]

I would imagine there's some spread that would make 6:5 an even money game? And so practicing on it wouldn't be the worst idea. Plus throw in the more wildly fluctuating count of a single or DD game.

 

[Cardcounter]

Actually if you bet $3 you don't even get 6 to 5 on your blackjacks you get even money. In order to get 6 to 5 on blackjack you must play $5. Better to play the $5 table with a 3:2 payout. Or better to play the blackjack stragedy trainer here.

 

[21forme]

You won't be playing a +EV game until TC >+5 at 6:5 BJ (per Don S.)

I suggest, rather than donating to the casino, buy CVBJ from QFIT and practice on your computer. At least your money, while learning, will go to one of the good guys!

 

[Sucker]

Actually if you bet $3 you don't even get 6 to 5 on your blackjacks you get even money. In order to get 6 to 5 on blackjack you must play $5.

This is true EVERYWHERE; it will be MUCH cheaper for you if you only play in increments of $5.

you can play this as long as you're comfortable paying 1.4 cents to the casino for every $1 you play...

This sounds about right to ME (fyp btw) -
1.4 cents X $5 = 9 cents per hand. If you can find a full table with a slow dealer (and these "beginner" tables usually ARE slow); multiply that by about 50 hands per hour & that means your "practice" will cost you about $4.50 an hour. And of course; if you raise your bet every time the count gets above +5, you WILL be able to reduce this cost of learning. Depending upon how MUCH you can get away with spreading, you might even turn it into a break-even or slightly profitable game.

 

[Memphis10Tigers]

You won't be playing a +EV game until TC >+5 at 6:5 BJ (per Don S.)

I suggest, rather than donating to the casino, buy CVBJ from QFIT and practice on your computer. At least your money, while learning, will go to one of the good guys!

Total newb question - what is CVBJ and QFIT? I assume this is software? I have read Snyder's Blackbelt in BJ and practice counting the hard way at home. Using hi-lo, I usually deal a dealer hand and 2 or 3 player hands to myself and practice keeping the count, making true count conversions, and playing everyone's hand according to the strategy chart. I assume training on software would be be my next step?

Any advice on how you guys got started?

 

[QFIT]

Bottom line is that I need practice in real casino conditions. How bad of an idea is it for practicing on this?

Great way to practice losing money.

 

[Coyote]

Total newb question - what is CVBJ and QFIT? I assume this is software? I have read Snyder's Blackbelt in BJ and practice counting the hard way at home. Using hi-lo, I usually deal a dealer hand and 2 or 3 player hands to myself and practice keeping the count, making true count conversions, and playing everyone's hand according to the strategy chart. I assume training on software would be be my next step?

Any advice on how you guys got started?

BUY CVBJ! It is the best way to practice! You can count the table or do the drills. It will pay for itself in short order. Got to QFIT's page and there is a link to the website there.

Coyote

Here is the link, http://www.qfit.com

 

[Memphis10Tigers]

BUY CVBJ! It is the best way to practice! You can count the table or do the drills. It will pay for itself in short order. Got to QFIT's page and there is a link to the website there.

Coyote

Here is the link, http://www.qfit.com

Buying it tonight. Thanks for the link! I'm guessing the version 5.5 should be more than enough to get me started?

 

[Coyote]

Buying it tonight. Thanks for the link! I'm guessing the version 5.5 should be more than enough to get me started?

You will not be dissappointed!
Best of variance to you!

Coyote!

 

[creeping panther]

6.5 sd

Can you beat it,,,under the right rules, conditions,,,,, for sure.

Never close your eyes to any game.

CP

 

[Coyote]

Can you beat it,,,under the right rules, conditions,,,,, for sure.

Never close your eyes to any game.

CP

Well stated! That is advise that everyone should listen to! :grin:

 

[LovinItAll]

Can you beat it,,,under the right rules, conditions,,,,, for sure.

Never close your eyes to any game.

CP

From another site:

Rules (base: 1 deck, DAS, S17, 50% pen., Full Hi-Low - EV = +.25%, 1-8 spread w/RC+2 as the pivot point)

Not saying your time wouldn't be better spent at a different game, but.....


"Contrary to popular belief, 6 to 5 blackjack is beatable by expert card counters with the best rules and a very aggressive game plan. If you can find a casino with a 6 to 5 single deck blackjack payout, offset by generous rules and a tolerance for large bet spreads, then you might well have a beatable game on your hands.

This study shows how important it is for expert card counters to keep a powerful blackjack simulator in their arsenal of advantage play training tools. No table of blackjack simulation numbers is going to provide the insights into beating this game."

Best ~ L.I.A.

[Edit] Oddly, I don't get the same results when using CVData with the specified criterion. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.