BJ Trips and Published Books

wong out

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I have been skimming through a BJ book by a well known gaming author (actually havent found much value in there) and found it striking how different our two views and experiences are of advantage play. For example, in his "report" he starts off a trip by getting into vegas early to relax followed by a good nights sleep; waking in his luxurious comped room; enjoying a leisurely breakfast followed by scouting, hanging out at the pool, perhaps a little BJ and then a gourmet comped dinner. Dinner is followed by a little more BJ and then enjoying a show and turning in early to relax and enjoy...

My trips on the other hand are grinds and all business. I typically play the weekends when conditions are best for my style of play. Thats means I cram my day job into 4 days (usually work the weekend before) to support taking Friday off. I rush out of work on Thurs a bit early and (a bit guilty) to make my evening flight (dinner is anything quick and gross that I can find in the airport). On the flight out I try to sleep to be able to get down to business upon my arrival. If I can get two full hours in I feel like I am off to a good start. Upon arrival it takes me about 2 hours to get from the airport to my room before I am ready to play. My rest consists of a 10 minute nap to rest my eyes for the night ahead. I play when I arrive for two reasons: maximize play time (max ev and to give me the best chance to end up ahead at the end of the year) and I like to play out swing shift which means I have to overcome jet lag at some point and when you have a weekend you dont have time to slowly adjust. BTW - no comped rooms for me; I have been tossed out of too many joints to stay where I play. Its either the cheapest dive I can book (a dollar saved is a dollar earned) or I use my hotel points from business travel to stay at an off-strip business class hotel.

Anyhow if I land at 11pm; I'll play till 4 or 5 am while moving around alot since the casinos are pretty quiet on weekdays at this time. I crash just before dawn hoping to catch 6-8 good hours but the damn time difference means that my body allows me about 3 hours before waking me up. I'll usually toss and turn for whatever period of time where I think I have a chance of getting some sleep after which I finally give up; shower; practice; and then grab a coffee and scarf down some tasteless pastry for breakfast while moving to my first job.

Starting out I bang away and continue to move since the weekend crowds havent arrived. Lunch is whatever is put out any the of high roller buffets that you find in most casinos (I have a few favorites that i'll keep to myself). Usually I get 2-3 calls from the office and always call back promptly (as soon as the count tanks of course) during the day. Once I got onto an emergent conference call from a pay phone and got to enjoy the spectacle of a hooker getting busted right next to me. It was kinda of nerve-wracking trying to cover the mouthpiece so that her screams would not be overheard.

Anyhow - dinner is usually comped (but quick - again lost time is something I cant afford) and even with the comp I cant afford the buzz of enjoying a glass of wine at this point since my prime playing time is just beginning. Its kinda funny trying to talk a host out of a gourmet comp; no I just want the snack bar! After dinner - a quick nap, shower and then off to the tables for swing shift (I play the entire shift ending play around 4 am).

Second nights are better sleeps since I am more in tune with the time zone and can usually last 4-5 hours instead of the 3-4 average on the first night. The second day is a repeat of the first; usually no office calls on Sat; and I can play abit longer in each joint. Again my play ends at 4 am.

Sunday is the same except I have to pack and check out of the room in the am and I usually enjoy the dinner a bit more since my playing is over for the trip. The crowds have departed and I have to fill up and return the rental car and get back to the aiport for my red-eye home. I land the next am (Monday) and hustle home to shower, change and then into work where I agree to work late to make up for coming in late of course. A bottomless cup of coffee ensures that I can perform despite the combined affects of minimal sleep and jet lag (I am now finally on Vegas time).

I am not complaining; BJ has been very good to me but (in my experience) its alot of work and much more of a grind than most folks seem to realize. As I said above you have to get the hours in to make any decent money and to offer long term protection from the variance; limit your expenses and most of all dont fool around if it means you will lose significant play time. I have seen about 5 shows in about 15 yrs of going to Vegas and once made the mistake of sleeping through a Don Rickles show with front row seats (big mistake but I wanted to be fresh to play after the show). Don made it clear that he was not pleased. As for lounging at the pool; I have gone whole years without unpacking my bathing suit although I always bring it just in case. Anyhow I wonder how many folks woudl be interested in advantage play if my account graced the books instead of much what I read.

thanks for listening!

wong out
 
thanks, Ian, for finally coming clean

I'm sure this post has been cathartic for you.

Hey, still love your books. Looking forward to "Turning the Tables Weekdays in Topeka."

And Go, Jayhawks.

Tolly Ho.
 

The Mayor

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Re: thanks, Ian, for finally coming clean

I don't think so ...

Ian posts under his name at bj21.com, and I am sure if he posted here, he would use his name as well.

--Mayor
 
Yours is one very valid philosophy of advantage play. But advantage play to me is just like any other kind of work in that it doesn't matter how much money you make if you don't get to enjoy it. So when I go to play, I eat when I'm hungry, sleep when I'm tired, and if I feel like doing something else more than playing blackjack, I do it. Otherwise it will present an added and avoidable distraction. Blackjack tables are there 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and they will still be there when I am ready.

Also you may want to rethink your practice of playing without proper sleep. I've learned my lesson as an engineer about working without sleep and how counterproductive it can be. You make mistakes and the worst part is you never know it, you just reap the results.
 

Rob McGarvey

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Nice report. I know you see the game differently than the other player does, but he could be playing a different game and at much higher levels at places that comp you for betting more than $10 a hand.

One thing I find about mose trip reports is that it gets too much into how the players feelings with little mention of the actual rules of the game, ie 6/5 S17 DOA DAS24hands, table min, max, heat. Not too much info like the time you where at the location so that surveillance can't figure out who you are. Cuz they are everywhere according to Cellini. Never underestimate your opponents, and respect them, because their profession is as important as we think ours is.
 
You're probably right.

Mayor,

You're probably right.

Actually, I'm a fan of Ian's, enjoy his writings. He occasionally posts on Don's Domain, by the way, as well as BJ21. But after a couple of glasses of wine last night the thought that he was in truth a career man enduring grueling schedules to get play in seemed pretty funny.

And I have to hand it to wongout, he's dedicated. His post was an interesting one.

-- JL
 

The Mayor

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Re: Mayor, Have you met Mr. Andersen?

Nope ...

Then again, as I have discovered many times over the years, he may have met me :cool: Top advantage players have this way of telling me that they saw me at such-and-such a place, but I didn't see them.

It is a small community. It has some oddballs, but for the most part the people are intelligent, articulate, interesting, and many are even nice.

--Mayor
 

wong out

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Re: Mayor, Have you met Mr. Andersen?

Nope - not Anderson and not (I think) an oddball either.

The point I was trying to make was that to make any real money at this game you need to focus on getting the hours in and to take a disciplined and businesslike approach to the game. If you want to play with an edge, have fun, and goof around thats ok but be careful that it doesnt distract you from your main goal (what-ever that is).

My game is complicated by my desire to maintain a high ev/expense ratio and to play during the best times for my situation. As a result it makes for many hectic trips but that is my choice and part of a plan designed to maximize the yearly profits. Obviously to each his own.

wong out
 

Rob McGarvey

Well-Known Member
Not Good

You should be able to spot them before they spot you. But Ian does wear disguises if I am not mistaken. And Cellini says wearing shades in a casino is a sure tip off. Lose the shades Eliot, and show of those baby blues...smile
 

eyesfor21

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played beside Wong

it was a while back,
but I knew who he was right away but did not give it away.
He was calm cool and collective and did not really go for
it at all,maybe he was testing the waters. Many say he does not play much at all,but it was him
he suddenly left when my friend split tens and then again,with a
six showing he ended up with 20,20,21,20,nice pop, but
I guess potential heat scared the wong master.
 
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