BlackJack Bot Earns Money While You Sleep!
- Thread starter ashyy18
- Start date
zengrifter
Banned
While you were sleeping? zgashyy18 said:
Last edited by a moderator:
Sonny
Well-Known Member
It's too bad these computers are illegal to use against online casinos. The casino will void your bonus and confiscate any winnings if they find out that you used a computer to play. And since these programs cannot overcome the house edge they are only useful when used with deposit bonuses, which are not available to US players. Without all that, these programs are pretty much useless. 
-Sonny-
-Sonny-
weavin42
Well-Known Member
I've often wondered about online casino bots. How could a casino detect that you are using a bot to play? For a poker bot, why couldn't you write a program to analyze the packets and just show the pot odds and whether mathematically you should call a hand? If I was to write software for an online casino, I would require some sort of ssh tunnel so everything is encrypted. I know some of you are on this board are skilled in computer science. What are your thoughts on this? Also, why couldn't you write some imaging software to analyze the board and your hand? Party poker has a 4-color card option...
toastblows
Well-Known Member
I have been a software engineer for 7 years. Mostly web applications using Mircosoft technology. If they are encrypting their packet transfers its pretty much impossible to capture and decode them to gain any value.
From what i gather playing partypoker from 2002-2006 you have a windows application that is communicating to a webservice (a gateway to partypokers "logic of the game" code). It would seem that your hand is locked by a "handshake" based on an encryped key you have and PP has, and once they meet and validate, only information based on your PP unique indentification is sent to you.
Example:
PP key = 123
Your key = 456
So does PP key 123 understand the 456 is a valid key given out to the "public" for public use, yes, ok lets start talking about whats going on based on your PP id (which is established when you register).
From there my guess is that only information pertaining to your PP ID is sent back and forth to your PP "screen"....If you think about it, PP knows what it dealt you, and you dont need to know anything about their hand or the other players hands to make bets. And the dealing of the community cards is sent to everyone...when it makes sense...i.e. not before you bet on the flop will your computer have packets sent to you indicating what flop cards are. So the communication during a hand would seem to be only "take the bet"...and show the cards after all bets are done.
When the hand is done with the final betting, the table is open, but at this point you cant cheat anything so it doesnt matter what the packet transfers are.
At least his is how i would design such system. It would be foolish to transfer packets of data not relevant to a persons hand at anytime to anyone. All the PP servers need to know for example in a Texas Hold Em game is what 2 "cards" you have, and collect your bet...then all information is crunched in their secure servers when the hand is done with the final bets and resent only on the final outcome of the hand. Just a guess based on my experience.
The use of bots simply would be to use time tested probabilities to beat the game.....not to sniff packets.....just another guess.
From what i gather playing partypoker from 2002-2006 you have a windows application that is communicating to a webservice (a gateway to partypokers "logic of the game" code). It would seem that your hand is locked by a "handshake" based on an encryped key you have and PP has, and once they meet and validate, only information based on your PP unique indentification is sent to you.
Example:
PP key = 123
Your key = 456
So does PP key 123 understand the 456 is a valid key given out to the "public" for public use, yes, ok lets start talking about whats going on based on your PP id (which is established when you register).
From there my guess is that only information pertaining to your PP ID is sent back and forth to your PP "screen"....If you think about it, PP knows what it dealt you, and you dont need to know anything about their hand or the other players hands to make bets. And the dealing of the community cards is sent to everyone...when it makes sense...i.e. not before you bet on the flop will your computer have packets sent to you indicating what flop cards are. So the communication during a hand would seem to be only "take the bet"...and show the cards after all bets are done.
When the hand is done with the final betting, the table is open, but at this point you cant cheat anything so it doesnt matter what the packet transfers are.
At least his is how i would design such system. It would be foolish to transfer packets of data not relevant to a persons hand at anytime to anyone. All the PP servers need to know for example in a Texas Hold Em game is what 2 "cards" you have, and collect your bet...then all information is crunched in their secure servers when the hand is done with the final bets and resent only on the final outcome of the hand. Just a guess based on my experience.
The use of bots simply would be to use time tested probabilities to beat the game.....not to sniff packets.....just another guess.
weavin42
Well-Known Member
I figured their system would be something like that. By no means was I implying that they sent you information about other players hands. By sniffing the packets I would want to obtain information to perform calculations from my two cards, the community cards, and the amount of money in the pot (ie pot odd, maybe implied odds). I've never tried this and like I said, if I was designing the system I would want to encrypt the packets anyway. I was curious if anyone had looked into doing this.
Josh
Josh