Blackjack Suited Bonus

[Swede]

Hello all,
It's great to be onboard here. I have been counting for the past year using Renzey's KISS III count with success, and have been reading the posts on this forum. I recently encountered a game (6d, H17, DOA, DAS, NS, decent pen: 70-80%) which offers a bonus for a blackjack where the Ace and face/ten are suited. The bonus is equal to the amount bet. For example, if you bet $50 and receive a blackjack with an Ace of clubs and jack of clubs you would receive your usual $75 plus $50 as a bonus.

I was wondering if anyone who's more mathematically inclined could quantify what sort of additional advantage this bonus presents? Has anyone experienced this bonus? THanks and I look forward to your answers.

 

[EasyRhino]

A while back I saw a bonus where a suited BJ paid 3 to 1. It was the equivalent of BJ playing 2:1 all the time, which shifts the odds like 1.5% in the player's favor.

This isn't quite as good. Suited BJ pays 2.5 to 1. So still darn good, enough to turn a regular game into a money-maker just by playing perfect basic strategy.

Note that if you're in sweden, I hear that some other rules may be so horrible that the house would still have an advantage even with the bonus.

 

[standard toaster]

hell just play normally. your big bets will be out most of the time blackjack hits so just play normal and be thankfull for the free money they are giving you

 

[zengrifter]

So what is the decrease in housEdge? zg

 

[Guynoire]

According to my quick math the probability of getting an Ace and suited face card in a 6 deck game is 0.89% so with a one bet bonus that's the decrease in the house edge. According to this site's edge calculator that would give the game a 0.23% player advantage with basic strategy.

 

[Swede]

Easy Rhino,
I am playing in the good old U.S.A. in the Northwest in a game with fairly standard rules, not in Sweden as the name implies. Swede is just a nickname I have based on a character from Clint Eastwood's movie Heartbreak Ridge.

Thanks for everyone's responses. So I can assume that I have roughly a 1% additional advantage with the suited blackjack bonus payout? If so, GIDDYUP! I will give the game some hell.

 

[nightspirit]

According Wong's Basic Blackjack the total probabilty of a blackjack is 4.7489% for 6 decks. So we will receive a suited bj 1/4 of 4.7489% or 1.187%. That's our additional EV since we get paid 1:1. So the basic strategy player enjoys a EV of +0.53% of the top.
CVData reports an edge of ~0.52% for the bs-player (6d, H17, DOA, DAS, 1player, 2 Billion rounds).

 

[golfnut101]

I am playing in the good old U.S.A. in the Northwest in a game with fairly standard rules, not in Sweden as the name implies. Swede is just a nickname I have based on a character from Clint Eastwood's movie Heartbreak Ridge.

If you are planning to further your AP career, it would be a good practice to not give away too much info. Might seem like nothing now, but, who knows...

best of luck

 

[Kasi]

According Wong's Basic Blackjack the total probabilty of a blackjack is 4.7489% for 6 decks. So we will receive a suited bj 1/4 of 4.7489% or 1.187%. That's our additional EV since we get paid 1:1.

Right - a little less if we assume it must be a winning BJ.

Hard to believe if you ask me - maybe only a suited BJ of a certain suit? Maybe good from 6-7 on Tuesdays?

Whatever, shame he wasted a week asking us. Hope it's still there for ya Swede.

 

[nightspirit]

Hard to believe if you ask me - maybe only a suited BJ of a certain suit? Maybe good from 6-7 on Tuesdays?

Whatever, shame he wasted a week asking us. Hope it's still there for ya Swede.

Yes, i think it won't last long but otherwise milk it as long as you can!

 

[cmon46345]

We have agame here in the Northeast that offers a a side bet that pays suited BJ's.Not sure what the payout is tho as I rarely play it.I do know that the high tie BJ PAYS 50 TO 1[Dealer and player both receive a BJ] I found myself in a dream situation. I saw that a new shoe was starting at a dealer hits s17 table next to the video roulette section where a buddy was playing[I was actually done for the night.had lost a few hundred and seemed that I just kept sitting in the wrong seat.]Anyhow,I stepped over and started backcounting this 8 deck game[good pen]and the count was skyrocketing[love it when that happens].Dealer was beating everyone though and people were leaving left and right.I use the Omega 2 and side count the aces.[this is where all my practice had finally meant something great]4 decks gone and only 3 aces out.WWOWW! True count of +4. 1 person left sitting.The dealer looks at me and asks.'Do you want to play?''MMMM sure I'll give it a try.$25 and $20 on the bonus.[I was about broke.]Me and the other player lost the first few rounds.Then it all came together.2 high tie BJ'S $2000.

 

[Sonny]

I use the Omega 2 and side count the aces. 4 decks gone and only 3 aces out.WWOWW! True count of +4.

Only 3 aces came out of the first 4 decks? That's pretty amazing...much higher than +4.

-Sonny-

 

[Swede]

The game does have some limitations. It is only offered for a limited time frame and the bonus payout has a limit. However, I certainly intend to hit it hard while it lasts, and thanks to all for your input and assistance.

 

[zengrifter]

The game does have some limitations. It is only offered for a limited time frame and the bonus payout has a limit. However, I certainly intend to hit it hard while it lasts, and thanks to all for your input and assistance.

You cannot hit it vary hard because of low edge and high variance. zg

 

[Kasi]

You cannot hit it vary hard because of low edge and high variance. zg

You could just flat bet and play BS every hand since there's no need to raise bet in + counts.

In which case the variance would only be what it is naturally for a flat-betting BS player. Like 1.3 units per hand.

Probably 15 times less than were you to count the game.

Potentially, I'd hit it hard, very hard. 24/7/365. Take a 2 week vacation fro work. Buy up tables. Pay people to leave. Hire people to play. Take out a second mortgage.

Potentially, depending on details, lol.

 

[cmon46345]

Only 3 aces came out of the first 4 decks? That's pretty amazing...much higher than +4.

-Sonny-

If I were using Zen [hmm...+12??]

 

[Sonny]

If I were using Zen [hmm...+12??]

The Zen system doesn’t side count aces so it would be hard to tell. The AOII system counts the aces as +2. If four decks were dealt from an 8D game and only 3 aces came out then you would have 13 extra aces, which gives a TC of 13 * 2 / 4 = +6.5. That's not even including your main RC. That’s even sweeter. :gaga:

-Sonny-

 

[ccibball50]

Best Blackjack games around

In vicksburg at the Rainbow casino they have $5 double deck black jack.
double any 2 cards
split aces once
stand on soft 17
and during the week for 5 hours a day they have black blackjack pays 2 to 1.

with perfect basic strategy the house is at a disadvantage. The only problem, the house has started to catch on to me. They made comments that they thought I was counting so I have been trying to use a lot of camo by placing bad bets when the pit boss is around.

 

[Randyk47]

Hit a suited BJ at the Excalibur two weeks ago in what they call the "Fun Pit"....their attempt to attract younger players. Won a six pack of beer and some beads with no side bet. The college boys at my table were very happy as I don't drink beer that much and certainly didn't have a place for it in my hotel room. They got the beer which considering the way they were playing that was probably the highlight of their day. :grin: