BS/Uston/Hi-Lo index cross check

[longwolf]

I noticed something odd while going over the BS/Uston/Hi-Lo indexs.
The Uston index says to hit(or is it stand?) a pair of 8's if the dealer shows a 10 and the count is < 5.
While the Hi-Lo indexs show the cut off at < 7.
But since the BS tables are based on a count of 0, wouldn't that mean that the BS strategy for 88 vrs 10 should not be to split?


Blackjack Therapy, find ch11
http://www.bjrnet.com/archive/BlackjackTherapy.htm

hi-lo count tbl
(Dead link: http://www.s-a-g-e.com/countstr.html)

 

[jack.jackson]

I noticed something odd while going over the BS/Uston/Hi-Lo indexs.
The Uston index says to hit(or is it stand?) a pair of 8's if the dealer shows a 10 and the count is < 5.
While the Hi-Lo indexs show the cut off at < 7.
But since the BS tables are based on a count of 0, wouldn't that mean that the BS strategy for 88 vrs 10 should not be to split?


Blackjack Therapy, find ch11
http://www.bjrnet.com/archive/BlackjackTherapy.htm

hi-lo count tbl
(Dead link: http://www.s-a-g-e.com/countstr.html)

Not sure, but i think where you getting confused is because a pair of 88s on a ten, like a pair of 33s on a seven, are the only two hands, that were less likely to split the higher the count is.
The index number, is the TC at which we stand, opposed to splitting.

One thing i never understood is why authors show the index numbers for staying, on stiff hands vs dealers bust card in negative counts. Ive found much easier to simply subtract one more in effect, giving me the index for hitting.

 

[longwolf]

It looks to me like both Uston and Hi-Lo are saying to stand if the TC is less than 5 or 7, respectively.

Have I got that wrong?

 

[suicyco maniac]

It looks to me like both Uston and Hi-Lo are saying to stand if the TC is less than 5 or 7, respectively.

Have I got that wrong?

Yes you are incorrect. When the true count gets over the index # you stand. Less then the index # you hit. This split (along with a few others) work that way.

 

[longwolf]

Yes you are incorrect. When the true count gets over the index # you stand. Less then the index # you hit. This split (along with a few others) work that way.

Ok, now I am confused.
If you stand when it's above the index and hit when it's lower than the index, does that mean you only split when it's exactly the index TC (5 or 7)?

 

[RJT]

You split 8's against a 10 as BS. If surrender is avalible you should surrender them at a TC of +1. If surrender is not availble you would continue to split up to a TC of 5 at which point you would stand. All based on CE adjusted indexes.

RJT.

 

[longwolf]

You split 8's against a 10 as BS. If surrender is avalible you should surrender them at a TC of +1. If surrender is not availble you would continue to split up to a TC of 5 at which point you would stand. All based on CE adjusted indexes.

RJT.

Thx RJT and Jack,
I understand what Jack meant now.
Those tables would make a lot more sense if they just put "+5 St" or "+7 St" and let you assume BS strat for counts below that.

Makes you wonder why they broke with the typical notation.

 

[zengrifter]

Also, remember that the Uston HiLo is based on a 1/2D TC. zg

 

[mdlbj]

CE Numbers for 4-8 Decks HI-LO

 

[jack.jackson]

All positive

And just a reminder,
Technically, you should have 3 index plays for a pair of 88s vs a ten.

1. The lowest one is for Sr.
2. The middle one is NDAS.
3. The highest one is for DAS

 

[suicyco maniac]

Ok, now I am confused.
If you stand when it's above the index and hit when it's lower than the index, does that mean you only split when it's exactly the index TC (5 or 7)?

Sorry. Late night typo. Stand when the TC is over the index # and split when the TC is under the index #.