Card mechainics?

[blackchipjim]

I was just wondering if some of the members could lend some insight into this little talked about subject. I do know one of the tells in hand held games is the sound that the dealer's cards make when they are dealing seconds. I wonder if there are any tells on shoe games that a player would look for. I had a few bad experiences with the same dealer that shows up for relief at diffferent tables that I was playing and winning at. I kinda know she is put in for relief at winning tables or so it seems. She's fast and scoops the losing cards up in a blink of an eye. She does a short shuffle when the table is killing us off and a much more through shuffle when we are kicking thier butts. blackchipjim

 

[moo321]

Watch the dealer's eyes. If the dealer is reading marked cards or peaking at the top card to deal seconds, you will see them glancing at the deck an inappropriate amount. If it's a shoe game, there's no way to deal seconds without a gaffed shoe, and I'm pretty sure no one would ever try to get one of those on the floor. IF this dealer is cheating, it's on her own, and to make up for her dumping money off to an accomplice.

 

[Mimosine]

it would be pretty tough to cheat a shoe dealt game....

 

[Sonny]

There are actually several ways to peek at a card even with a fair shoe (for both the dealer and the player). As moo said, your best strategy is to watch the dealer's eyes. Also keep a close eye on the dealer's left hand (the one that covers the face of the shoe). That is usually the hand they use to peek at the top card or pull it back to deal the one below it.

As far as the shuffle goes, just keep an eye on the procedure they are using. Make sure they shuffle the same way every time. If they suddenly start shuffling different segments together then you might get suspicious. Or if certain segments of cards always ends up in a spot that you can't cut to, find out why.

-Sonny-

 

[Mimosine]

a lot of the places i've played, you can't even see any part of the card when looking at the opening in the shoe, it's covered with some stupid brush like thing. this makes seeing the cut card very difficult, unless you are at 1st base looking down the top.

my point is that there are far less opportunities for a dealer to peek at the cards in a shoe, and far less of those wouldn't be horribly obvious to the casual observer. one place to be on the lookout is when and which card the dealer flips. if there is any opportunity for the dealer to SELECT which card to flip up - the house edge can skyrocket. e.g. dealer has a T and a 6, which would you rather see up with your 15? Who would benefit from the dealer showing the T selectively? I haven't seen this, but from playing think it would be one of the easier dealer cheats.

for a pitch game there are several opportunities to peek at the top card (that would be dealt to first base), and then if you are proficient you could "deal seconds" and save that card for yourself or a player you are cheating with. One of the most obvious times is when the dealer is collecting cards or paying bets and their hand holding the cards flips over. A proficient mechanic would then glimpse at the top card, or even the top couple of cards and you would never have a clue unless you knew what to look for and had the right viewing angle.

 

[Kasi]

I think if u r facing a good card mechanic u will never what hit u.

And shoes can be fixed too with mirrors and stuff.

If u get a bad feeling, just leave. Can't hurt.

I would guess they would tend to risk neither for lower betters.

 

[suicyco maniac]

it's covered with some stupid brush like thing. this makes seeing the cut card very difficult, unless you are at 1st base looking down the top.

my point is that there are far less opportunities for a dealer to peek at the cards in a shoe, and far less of those wouldn't be horribly obvious to the casual observer.

Pick up a copy of Steve Forte's book "Casino Game Protection" and see if you still feel the same way.....I'm not saying these cheating moves are common but there are many ways to skin a cat if you really have the motivation to do so.

 

[moo321]

I think if u r facing a good card mechanic u will never what hit u.

And shoes can be fixed too with mirrors and stuff.

If u get a bad feeling, just leave. Can't hurt.

I would guess they would tend to risk neither for lower betters.

Every cheat, even world class ones, will give something away. They will handle the cards strangely when shuffling, or peek at the discards when they shouldn't, they will look at the deck when they shouldn't, their thumb won't come off of the deck, the deck will make a swishing or snapping sound, etc. I'm not saying you can actually spot the move, but you will get enough clues that you can leave with suspicions.

 

[Mimosine]

Pick up a copy of Steve Forte's book "Casino Game Protection" and see if you still feel the same way.....

wish i had $185....

anyone have a used copy they want to sell. *smirk*