Robert Yong
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Anyone got any views on the Casey Blackjack Computer?
Casey Blackjack Computer
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Sonny
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That depends on what you mean by "opinions". In my opinion, Casey is a groundbreaking machine from an engineering and mathematical standpoint. From an Advantage Player standpoint, it is a useless device which will only earn you some jail time.
See the post from 5/23/03 titled "Casey. Does it work? Am I being scammed?" for an in-depth discussion of this topic.
-Sonny-
See the post from 5/23/03 titled "Casey. Does it work? Am I being scammed?" for an in-depth discussion of this topic.
-Sonny-
Robert Yong
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Thanks Sonny, I read the 5/23/03 discussion and feel a bit stupid asking the same question as "minnie the moocher". I was just curious on whether anybody had actually used this thing. Apologies for the dumb question. Rob
Sonny
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Re: Armed robbery analogy
> Its easier to just commit armed robbery. Both are illegal, but the armed
> robbery is alot easier.
Playing blackjack with a Casey computer is like trying to rob a bank with a bicycle.
Honestly, I would prefer a gun to a Casey computer. After all, a gun can be operated with one finger! With the Casey, you'll be tapping your feet more than a diarrheic Ben Vereen on speed! Besides, do you have any idea how hard it is to run away with a pack of batteries bandaged to your thigh?
-Sonny-
> Its easier to just commit armed robbery. Both are illegal, but the armed
> robbery is alot easier.
Playing blackjack with a Casey computer is like trying to rob a bank with a bicycle.
Honestly, I would prefer a gun to a Casey computer. After all, a gun can be operated with one finger! With the Casey, you'll be tapping your feet more than a diarrheic Ben Vereen on speed! Besides, do you have any idea how hard it is to run away with a pack of batteries bandaged to your thigh?
-Sonny-
Sonny
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Re: Not dumb at all
>Thanks Sonny, I read the 5/23/03 discussion and feel a bit stupid asking the
>same question as "minnie the moocher". I was just curious on whether anybody
>had actually used this thing. Apologies for the dumb question. Rob
If you're looking for accounts of its use, check out Ken Uston's "Million Dollar Blackjack". He has a chapter that talks all about his team's experience using it in Vegas. And yes, several of them did get arrested!
>Thanks Sonny, I read the 5/23/03 discussion and feel a bit stupid asking the
>same question as "minnie the moocher". I was just curious on whether anybody
>had actually used this thing. Apologies for the dumb question. Rob
If you're looking for accounts of its use, check out Ken Uston's "Million Dollar Blackjack". He has a chapter that talks all about his team's experience using it in Vegas. And yes, several of them did get arrested!
Does anyone have software for Casey?
I was wondering if anyone had software for this blackjack computer for the pc. It would be interesting to see how the computer works without actually doing it in a casino and getting arrested. Thanks for any info. Email me if you see this...
I was wondering if anyone had software for this blackjack computer for the pc. It would be interesting to see how the computer works without actually doing it in a casino and getting arrested. Thanks for any info. Email me if you see this...
Pro21
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Casey software
Casey just uses Thorp's ultimate count. You can see how well that count works by running simulations. David (the original computer) was designed by Keith Taft. Casey was a ripoff version stolen from Taft by a guy named Steve Goldberg. There is still a guy out selling Caseys. These computers were great for playing single deck, but worthless for other games. If you find a single deck game in a country where copmputers are legal then have at it.
As for robbing a bank... there was just a case of a dealer up in Lake Tahoe who stole $675,000 over a period of years. Yes, she was caught. And horror of horrors... she had to return the money!!! Hmm, not quite as stiff a sentance as bank robbery.
Casey just uses Thorp's ultimate count. You can see how well that count works by running simulations. David (the original computer) was designed by Keith Taft. Casey was a ripoff version stolen from Taft by a guy named Steve Goldberg. There is still a guy out selling Caseys. These computers were great for playing single deck, but worthless for other games. If you find a single deck game in a country where copmputers are legal then have at it.
As for robbing a bank... there was just a case of a dealer up in Lake Tahoe who stole $675,000 over a period of years. Yes, she was caught. And horror of horrors... she had to return the money!!! Hmm, not quite as stiff a sentance as bank robbery.
Are you sure it's just a simple count?
I know card counting isn't easy and all. But are you sure that casey's computer is just based on a count? It can't be because it can do so many crazy things. Like Ken Uston described his computer George...George would tell people to do some things that regular people would never dream of such as hitting on hard 17, splitting a pair of 6 against an Ace, doubling on hard 12. Does thorp's ultimate count do that? I doubt it. That would be a pretty powerful count. i'm just curious of these computer's algorithms. It would be interesting just to see how this software can work on a pc or mac and play out the hand yourself.
I know card counting isn't easy and all. But are you sure that casey's computer is just based on a count? It can't be because it can do so many crazy things. Like Ken Uston described his computer George...George would tell people to do some things that regular people would never dream of such as hitting on hard 17, splitting a pair of 6 against an Ace, doubling on hard 12. Does thorp's ultimate count do that? I doubt it. That would be a pretty powerful count. i'm just curious of these computer's algorithms. It would be interesting just to see how this software can work on a pc or mac and play out the hand yourself.
It is not a simple count
I used David, a version of this computer, in 1980-1981. I was on a team that was managed by Steven Goldberg and financed by Tommy Hyland and his group. Tommy brought me in to the group. We were friends from college, I knew how to play blackjack and count, I am a computer programmer, and he trusted me. I met Steven in Las Angeles to see David first. It seemed to work as advertised.
After actaully joining the group, I had the opportunity to work with a support person that downloaded the program so that he and I could actually look at it. It is in machine language and so not many people would have any idea what to do with it, and it would not work on a regular PC. However, the program actually has registers that keep track of how many of each value card are left in the deck. When you take out all the cards that you have seen so far from the shoe, then enter your cards and the dealer up card and tell the computer to "play", it runs through every possible combination of cards left in the deck and determines the best play based on the rules set that has been selected. So there are clearly times that it would do things that no count system would tell you to do.
At the time that I used the computer, it was legal in Nevada. None of the people in my team was ever arrested, and only one person was ever questioned. However, some of us took computers to Reno and played as a second small team. A woman that was an operator was back-roomed but they never actually searched her, so they did not find the computer.
I used David, a version of this computer, in 1980-1981. I was on a team that was managed by Steven Goldberg and financed by Tommy Hyland and his group. Tommy brought me in to the group. We were friends from college, I knew how to play blackjack and count, I am a computer programmer, and he trusted me. I met Steven in Las Angeles to see David first. It seemed to work as advertised.
After actaully joining the group, I had the opportunity to work with a support person that downloaded the program so that he and I could actually look at it. It is in machine language and so not many people would have any idea what to do with it, and it would not work on a regular PC. However, the program actually has registers that keep track of how many of each value card are left in the deck. When you take out all the cards that you have seen so far from the shoe, then enter your cards and the dealer up card and tell the computer to "play", it runs through every possible combination of cards left in the deck and determines the best play based on the rules set that has been selected. So there are clearly times that it would do things that no count system would tell you to do.
At the time that I used the computer, it was legal in Nevada. None of the people in my team was ever arrested, and only one person was ever questioned. However, some of us took computers to Reno and played as a second small team. A woman that was an operator was back-roomed but they never actually searched her, so they did not find the computer.
I think the question
Most people know that the early computers were computing the optimal play based on the exact remaining deck composition. What most of us (including me) don't know, is just how much better that is, in practical terms, than using a great counting system (like HI-OPT II, with side counts). You still have the problem of spreading your bets and finding great penetration.
Did you run any long term simulations on the algorithms (or do you know of any) that would give some idea how it compares to modern counting systems? Such comparisions appear in Schlesinger's BJA, it would be lovely to throw in your computer's algorithm into the mix, just so we know.
Thanks
--Mayor
Most people know that the early computers were computing the optimal play based on the exact remaining deck composition. What most of us (including me) don't know, is just how much better that is, in practical terms, than using a great counting system (like HI-OPT II, with side counts). You still have the problem of spreading your bets and finding great penetration.
Did you run any long term simulations on the algorithms (or do you know of any) that would give some idea how it compares to modern counting systems? Such comparisions appear in Schlesinger's BJA, it would be lovely to throw in your computer's algorithm into the mix, just so we know.
Thanks
--Mayor
casey computer
I bought the casey computer a months ago and it was working well. However, the guy that I bought the computer from has passed away and I need to replace the input swtiches, can anyone tell me where I can contact the person who actually makes the computer ?
Thanks, please email me at [email protected]
I bought the casey computer a months ago and it was working well. However, the guy that I bought the computer from has passed away and I need to replace the input swtiches, can anyone tell me where I can contact the person who actually makes the computer ?
Thanks, please email me at [email protected]
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Use Vaseline
If you use the Casey computer in a US casino, you can use Vaseline to lubricate the switches. And always carry a large jar of Vaseline with you. You may need it. Do you know why?
If you use the Casey computer in a US casino, you can use Vaseline to lubricate the switches. And always carry a large jar of Vaseline with you. You may need it. Do you know why?
learning to count
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HAHAHAHA GOOD ONE AUTO APE!