casino war

mk1

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hey evreyone just was wondering the casino that i go to has casinowar now. and although getting through a 6 deck shoe would take longer could you still have an advantage counting cards? i know bj you have the slight advantage when its a perfect time to split and double etc...bj 3:2 anyway any thoughts?
counldnt you apply the same methods as far as when to raise bets? when count is high?
thank you
mk1
 

Sonny

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Card counting doesn’t really work for Casino War because the game is symmetrical. All payouts are even money and the effects of removal are not very strong. Knowing that the majority of cards are high cards does not help you because the dealer is just as likely to get them as you are. There are no bonuses or playing strategies like there are in blackjack. The game is still beatable, just not really through card counting.

-Sonny-
 

mk1

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thanks for the input i just got through looking online for the rules and damm u put $10 at risk just for a $5 payout when going to war? i thought you'd get payed double cause its kinda like a double down.
anyway i'll stay away from that game.
 

Dyepaintball12

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Sonny said:
Card counting doesn’t really work for Casino War because the game is symmetrical. All payouts are even money and the effects of removal are not very strong. Knowing that the majority of cards are high cards does not help you because the dealer is just as likely to get them as you are. There are no bonuses or playing strategies like there are in blackjack. The game is still beatable, just not really through card counting.

-Sonny-
How do you beat Casino War?

PM me if need be
 

Guynoire

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How many decks do they use in casino war? If it's single deck you could wait until there are very few pairs left. Don't see how you would get an advantage though.
 

InPlay

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Automatic Monkey said:
It is beatable, but we probably shouldn't go there in public.

2 people say it's beatable. How do you beat it? I don't see a big run on casino war at the casino if you post the information. I can't figure out for the love of me on how to beat it. Going to WAR is enough to kill your odds alone. Most casino are 6 deck with a house advantage of 2.33%. How do you reduce that without some special bonus? Most casinos do not have special bonus.
 

Sonny

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Grosjean gives a good analysis of the game in his book. That’s about all I would want to say publicly. Right now the casinos don’t know how to beat the game (or even that the game is beatable) and therefore don’t know how to protect it. If we make those techniques public it would only help the casinos. It may even ruin some opportunities for APs. The last thing we want to do is give the casinos a free eduacation or tip them off to a current weakness.

-Sonny-
 

moo321

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InPlay said:
2 people say it's beatable. How do you beat it? I don't see a big run on casino war at the casino if you post the information. I can't figure out for the love of me on how to beat it. Going to WAR is enough to kill your odds alone. Most casino are 6 deck with a house advantage of 2.33%. How do you reduce that without some special bonus? Most casinos do not have special bonus.
Posting it could kill whatever opportunity people are exploiting.
 

InPlay

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moo321 said:
Posting it could kill whatever opportunity people are exploiting.

I have gotten a PM from someone on this board. I won't mention no names. I have respect for this poster but to me it sounds like Voodoo Betting Strategies or it might be over my head. :)
 

standard toaster

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InPlay said:
I have gotten a PM from someone on this board. I won't mention no names. I have respect for this poster but to me it sounds like Voodoo Betting Strategies or it might be over my head. :)
could you pm it to me as well? or maybe ask to pm it to me? thanks
 

standard toaster

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it would have to be voodo theres nothing else you can do
when i irst saw the game and didnt know muc about gambling i thought i had it beat... i even wrote a little book about it with charts and stats... come to find out it was pretty much martingale with a few added perks... we wrote programs for it and although you win most of the time its still a progressive/ martingale

if anyone wants it heres all the stuff :-\ now that i reread it all again it is extremley stupid



Casino War

$100 Buy in
2 decks (test)
Try and find a table that’s one on one


Bet only $5
When you loose double the bet
don’t take wars for $10+
Do not stray from the strategy


You can loose more than you win and still double up
On average you will make $50 in 17.8 hands
Works 20 out of 21 times
Buy in for $200 very hard to break


Do not change the betting strategy once you started





This book will explain and analyze the casinos simplest game to understand. Simple to understand does not mean there’s not a complex and thorough strategy to break this game. Table games like blackjack have a set chart and strategy to what you should always do although, even when you follow the chart you can go broke very easily off a bad losing streak. Unlike blackjack or really any other game you can find at casinos, war has a 50% chance of winning every time. By having a large enough bank roll you can never lose at this game. This strategy will make you a profit even after a large losing streak and will double you up in no time. By losing small bets and winning the larger ones this simple and amazing strategy will have you living like a king.

There are many charts used throughout this book the major one is laid out like this.

Bet W L Stack
5 x 245
5 x 240
5 war yes x 230


The concept is extremely easy to understand the first column is your initial bet, the second represents a win the third represents a loss and the stack is your overall chip stack.
When you see a war yes/no in the bet column it represents a war. A war is when your card ties with the dealers and you have to put double your bet out on the table hoping to beat the dealer on yet another draw. The war is where the house gets its large advantage, no one wants the casino to have the advantage so whenever a war is to large you must surrender your war and the house will give half of your initial bet back.

Now that we understand war its time to run some tests. The first chapter will be tested with a $100 buy in with two decks. The strategy is extremely simple all you have to do is start out with a $5 bet, when you lose simply double your bet if you lose a second time double it again and so on. Since this is a 50-50 game you will soon win one and when you do you will make all your money back plus $5. When you do hit that win immediately return to a $5 bet and keep it at that amount until you lose again. Remember that wars are the casinos edge so stay strict to the rule of only taking wars if your up a substantial amount of money and the war is less than $10.

Quick beginning Hints

You can lose more than you win and still double up
On average you will make $50 every 17.8 hands
Works 98% of the time
Best to buy in for at least $200 but the strategy will work with $100
Do not change the betting strategy once you started
 

standard toaster

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charts
6 deck shoes (run by hand)

(Dead link: http://www.mediafire.com/?dmytgmd1ogg)

(Dead link: http://www.mediafire.com/?uip0n6we1xa)


(Dead link: http://www.mediafire.com/?ge9tdw9pxew)


$100 buy in conclusion

$100 buy in test run conclusion

War is a game of coin flips When there is no tie there is a definite 50% chance of either the dealer or the player winning but as soon as there is a tie the casino edge kicks in. Even though wars seem very profitable at first (especially with the 5x tie odds) war is simply a bad deal with 2.88% against you, this is why you must surrender anything over a five dollar bet (assuming your up). After the eleven tested runs (2 decks $100 buy in) I lost only one time due to a very unlucky streak but with a larger bankroll I surely would have won. Tables 1,4 and 11 show you can have a loosing record or even tie and still make large sums of money. These large sums of money are made on those loosing streaks. After 312 flips I have only lost 5 times in a row once these odds seem very good seeing that only the 5 streak is what will break you. Not once did a streak of six turn up so assuming you buy in for 155+ (allowing the 80 bet) it will be extremely hard to bust and would not have lost in any of these test runs.
As far as stats go you should make $50 in about 17.8 hands, yes there is no eighth of a hand but you understand averages. After the 312 flips I was above my initial buy in for 94% of the time and there were only 14 wars. After all this session I have $1910 on the table $810 of it being profit. This profit margin would have been much larger but in some tables I elected to stop at 50 in some I simply ran out of cards and left it at that and at others I simply got lazy.


....it is stupid... voodoo... and was a waste of my time.....


anyway continued.....

something we made up called the comparitive 50 rule

Simple war strategy
As you can see in these 4 new charts (6 deck charts) wars happen much more than in the initial tests with 2 decks. We all know by now that wars are the houses edge and since there’s many more of these predicaments logically we must compensate for them with a new strategy.
Say you take a $5 war and lets also assume that you lose, losing that war has just lost you ten dollars to compensate for that you must bet $15 here’s a chart to show why.
Ex. 1
Good Bad
Bet W L STACK BET W L STACK
~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~
5 X 130 5 X 130
5 WAR X 120 5 war X 120
15 X 135 10 X 130



As you can see if you only double your $5 bet you will only break even with your initial bet. If you loose the $15 bet you still double the bet until you win If you were to only break even the entire strategy would be short and will significantly short your earnings over your session.
The comparative 50 rule

Skim back to charts 17 and 18. What happened at chart 18 to make us break here? Its simple math if something is 50-50 it will always even out, so why does this matter? This matters because if we win 5 in a row statistics say it must even out, that means soon enough the dealer will win his 5. By this point we know that 5 losses in a row will break us and consume all our chips. The fix to this problem its quite simple, after you have a large winning streak such as the 5 or even 10 (chart 14) leave after you lose two in a row. Were assuming that those 2 losses in a row are a sure warning that the dealer is about to even out and hitting 5 or 10 in a row will without a doubt steal all we have earned.
Ex. 2 Left side continued
BET W L STACK 10 X 125
~ ~ ~ ~ 20 X 145
5 X 105 5 X 140
5 X 110 10 X 130
5 X 115 20 X 110
5 X 120 40 X 70
5 X 115 70 X BROKE


As you can see the right thing to do was leave after the underlined hand if you were to leave then you would have still made your $30.




***if your strategy has any thinking like this please do not pm it to me it relies on the gamblers fallacy and is extremley dumb... but to a new gambler seems genious... its not****

we also created a program to run siulations millions of times

here is a chart we made after going through the first 50 results.. suprisingly we were up $2407

(Dead link: http://www.mediafire.com/?dx01ijz4mn8)



we then ran coin flips to further prove our point since war is 50-50... lol

(Dead link: http://www.mediafire.com/?m1x11b9rddt)

and here was our conclusion from that...


To prove the concept of what’s going on the previous table was not of playing cards it was simply a quarter being flipped 50 times, and yes this relates to the simple game of casino war. This chart does not appear any different because it should always even out just like the cards at the war table. Yes, when we doubled up we had won more than we lost but, after I finished out the 50 flips it was almost dead even. It got to the point where I could call heads and tales correctly about 80% of the time after the double up, this same theory will work at the war table. You may know what is about to hit but do not up your bet because that will destroy the entire strategy and will throw your betting pattern off. This simple chart (along with chart 11) proves that as long as you stick to the plan, lose the small $5 bets and win the bigger ones you will always come out on top.


$100 buy in test run conclusion


As stated before war is a game of coin flips. When there is no tie there is a definite 50% chance of either the dealer or the player winning but as soon as there is a tie the casino edge kicks in. Even though wars seem very profitable at first (especially with the 5x tie odds) war is simply a bad deal with 2.88% against you, this is why you must surrender anything over a five dollar bet (assuming your up). After the eleven tested runs (2 decks $100 buy in) I lost only one time due to a very unlucky streak but with a larger bankroll I surely would have won. Tables 1,4 and 11 show you can have a loosing record or even tie and still make large sums of money. These large sums of money are made on losses. In a later study you will discover why you want to lose a few every once in a while.
Stats
After 312 flips I have only lost 5 times in a row once these odds seem very good seeing that only the 5 streak is what will break you. Not once did a streak of six turn up so assuming you buy in for 155+ (allowing the 80 bet) it will be extremely hard to bust and would not have lost in any of these test runs. If you truly feel like gambling after you make that first $100 you can keep it all on the table and bet $ after every win. If all goes well you will end up making $300 in two vary short sessions.
As far as averages go you should make $50 in about 17.8 hands, yes there is no eighth of a hand but you understand averages. After the 312 flips I was above my initial buy in for 94% of the time and there were only 14 wars. After all this session I have $1910 on the table $810 of it being profit. This profit margin would have been much larger but in some tables I elected to stop at 50 in some I ran out of cards and left it at that and at others I simply got lazy.





*we also made many other programs and many semed to be profitable... but that is only short term...

the sad part of all this is that we turned this into a book... looked professionally done and to an untrained gambler seemed like a sure win... we sold tons of them and made a ton off of them at school... i wish i had all of them back so i could burn it because my name is on the cover... urg
 
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