Charity Game Rules

[Dyepaintball12]

Hey guys. I got back from a charity casino night and am wondering what the house edge was for this game, and if it is a real game or just their own rules.

S17
NDAS
DA2
No RSA
No Surrender

Now, for these crazy rules:

1. BJ pays 2to1
2. Any 5-card hand auto. wins
3. ALL PUSHES TIE (except for 21s)

Their were near 6 decks with 100% PEN, but they kept adding and removing cards randomly so it was confusing.

 

[shadroch]

what is so crazy about all pushes tie? Or are you saying if you bust and the dealer bust,its a push?

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Whoops.

Dealer wins all pushes except 21v21.

 

[k_c]

6 Decks
S17
NDAS
NRSA
Full peek
No surrender
5 card auto winner (including split hands)
BJ pays 2 to 1
EVs (Optimal composition dependent strategy) -
Allow 1 split: EV=+3.223%
Allow 2 splits: EV=+3.252%
Allow 3 splits: EV=+3.257%

No one can play perfect comp dependent strategy, so reduce the above EVs a little. Now you just need to compensate for dealer winning all non-21 pushes. I think the negative effect might be much more than 3% though. I've seen posts somewhere that addressed dealer winning pushes, but I can't remember where. Maybe someone can give an estimate.

k_c

 

[shadroch]

Dealer wins ties makes it a terrible game,no matter what else they put in to intice the suckers.

 

[nightspirit]

According Wong's 'Basic Blackjack' pg.93 losing all pushes except 21 will cost you 7.0%.

Edit: Schlesinger's BJA3 pg. 50 provides around 9% to the house edge. In any case, like Shadroch said, a sucker game.

 

[moo321]

like Shadroch said, a sucker game.

...unless you don't mind hole-carding a charity game.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Yeah I believe the 7% edge.

Everyone would lose 5, 6, 7, 10 hands in a row.

I mean it was for charity with low limits so it was fun but damn those rules are awful.

 

[Cardcounter]

The rules are horrible!

All pushes except for 21 lose is a rule so bad that it kills any hope of winning what so ever. It is even a bad game in double expousure where you see both cards before you make your decision. Blackjacks paying 2 to 1 will only add 2.5% to your value. My guess is a good player would be at a 6% disadvantage more than 10 times the normal advantage and an average player might be at a 10% disadvantage at this game.