Chumash in the news again...
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zengrifter
Banned
Now is an ideal oppty...
... to tell investigators how/why the professor at a prestigious local colege is not allowed to play BJ there. zg
... to tell investigators how/why the professor at a prestigious local colege is not allowed to play BJ there. zg
LV Bear
Administrator
The importance and power of a free press is underscored again
Philip Hogen, chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission, said he was disappointed to learn <u>from a Times report last week</u> that tribal members responsible for regulating the Chumash Casino during the past decade had criminal histories and other problems. (Emphasis added)
Philip Hogen, chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission, said he was disappointed to learn <u>from a Times report last week</u> that tribal members responsible for regulating the Chumash Casino during the past decade had criminal histories and other problems. (Emphasis added)
Ohio Jones
New Member
Criminal Play?
robbery, theft, assault w/ a deadly weapon and wife beating by the same people that believe advantage play is criminal. i feel the native americans and the tribes deserve the benefits of running casinos and if they want to pay out to all the members that's their own perogative. but with that freedom to operate in the gaming industry they must be governed by a state controlled gaming agency.
robbery, theft, assault w/ a deadly weapon and wife beating by the same people that believe advantage play is criminal. i feel the native americans and the tribes deserve the benefits of running casinos and if they want to pay out to all the members that's their own perogative. but with that freedom to operate in the gaming industry they must be governed by a state controlled gaming agency.
The Chumash
The Chumash is the only casino reasonably close to me, their game is poor but I do play there at times as does my uncle.
The place makes around 200 million a year, is busy and is located in one of the most affluent areas, near Santa Barbara.
In thinking about the barring of the Mayor and how I have played there, I guess that the mayor would not have been tossed (at least quickly) if he had not thought that these "nice guys" would like him for lending him some of his expertise. Casinos (not just the Chumash) do not want players who they know are smarter and know more about their business than they do. I think they took some of his advice and out of fear/paranoia, tossed him.
They are not a sweat shop and red and green chippers with some cover can have longevity, if you want it in a H-17 shoe game.
They may be also still learning on the job. Perhaps a year ago my uncle was at a table where an admitted dealer error was corrected by the pit totally in favor of the house. Nothing was at least pushed and no player was able to opt out of the hand as would be done in Vegas. He got upset, told the floorman it was not right and in a negative count left the table. The floorman then was seen having a long conversation with his supervisor. He wrote them a letter but never received the courtesy of a reply but since that time both of us have never seen a real dispute settled in favor of the house, always in a customer friendly way. So I think the folks actually working there may be alright.
The problem is the folks behind the scene and I know nothing except what I read in the paper about them.
If I were a tribal member, I would try to make sure that this publicity does not hurt the traffic in the casino and would want some housecleaning to take place. The place makes over 200 mil a year because rich folks from the Santa Barbara area think they are getting a decent game there.
I would start the cleaning immediately and welcome the input of the federal investigators. I would do just about anything they wanted to keep my door open and fix my reputation. We are talking about a casino where just about everyone stays on soft 17, stays on 14,15,or 16 vs 7, never hits or doubles soft 18, apparently has tight machines and rich players. A casino that can not help but make tons of money.
Victoria
The Chumash is the only casino reasonably close to me, their game is poor but I do play there at times as does my uncle.
The place makes around 200 million a year, is busy and is located in one of the most affluent areas, near Santa Barbara.
In thinking about the barring of the Mayor and how I have played there, I guess that the mayor would not have been tossed (at least quickly) if he had not thought that these "nice guys" would like him for lending him some of his expertise. Casinos (not just the Chumash) do not want players who they know are smarter and know more about their business than they do. I think they took some of his advice and out of fear/paranoia, tossed him.
They are not a sweat shop and red and green chippers with some cover can have longevity, if you want it in a H-17 shoe game.
They may be also still learning on the job. Perhaps a year ago my uncle was at a table where an admitted dealer error was corrected by the pit totally in favor of the house. Nothing was at least pushed and no player was able to opt out of the hand as would be done in Vegas. He got upset, told the floorman it was not right and in a negative count left the table. The floorman then was seen having a long conversation with his supervisor. He wrote them a letter but never received the courtesy of a reply but since that time both of us have never seen a real dispute settled in favor of the house, always in a customer friendly way. So I think the folks actually working there may be alright.
The problem is the folks behind the scene and I know nothing except what I read in the paper about them.
If I were a tribal member, I would try to make sure that this publicity does not hurt the traffic in the casino and would want some housecleaning to take place. The place makes over 200 mil a year because rich folks from the Santa Barbara area think they are getting a decent game there.
I would start the cleaning immediately and welcome the input of the federal investigators. I would do just about anything they wanted to keep my door open and fix my reputation. We are talking about a casino where just about everyone stays on soft 17, stays on 14,15,or 16 vs 7, never hits or doubles soft 18, apparently has tight machines and rich players. A casino that can not help but make tons of money.
Victoria
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Gambling attracts criminality
Why do you think good and intelligent people have a low opinion of gambling, so low that an advantage player has a hard time explaining and getting through with why what he does is different? Low minded people are attracted to it, on both sides of the table. Being I'm almost always playing in an ersatz Indian's store I always remain aware of the potential for lawlessness around me, either in the form of cheating or theft, or a violent reaction to my advantage play. Articles like this make me even more aware.
Why do you think good and intelligent people have a low opinion of gambling, so low that an advantage player has a hard time explaining and getting through with why what he does is different? Low minded people are attracted to it, on both sides of the table. Being I'm almost always playing in an ersatz Indian's store I always remain aware of the potential for lawlessness around me, either in the form of cheating or theft, or a violent reaction to my advantage play. Articles like this make me even more aware.
Only game in town
The Chumash is always packed and will continue to be packed no matter how much bad press they recieve becuase they are the only game in town for 150 miles in any direction and the people around there have plenty of money. In my four months playing there I had nothing but good expirences.
The Chumash is always packed and will continue to be packed no matter how much bad press they recieve becuase they are the only game in town for 150 miles in any direction and the people around there have plenty of money. In my four months playing there I had nothing but good expirences.